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To: MamaTexan
Are you familiar with the Law of Nations concept?

I guess so. I've heard the term and know it's in the Constitution, and I've certainly heard of the book by that name.

382 posted on 03/20/2013 2:07:13 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
I've heard the term and know it's in the Constitution, and I've certainly heard of the book by that name.

Good. Like I said there are multiple versions by different authors. Personally, I consider Emmerich de Vattel to be the best one since it's the one most used in the Founding era.

James Kent apparently wasn't overly fond of Vattel, but even he admitted:
The most popular, and the most elegant writer on the law of nations, is Vattel, whose method has been greatly admired. He has been cited, for the last half century, more freely than any one of the public jurists; but he is very deficient in philosophical precision.
James Kent , 1826

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Vattel's work was titled The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law .

This what Vattel said about natural born citizenship:


§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
Book I / CHAP. XIX. - Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It

As I'm sure you know, this particular snippit-
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. is repeated in several legal decisions as well.

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That's why, in my most honest opinion that there is only one way to acquire natural-born citizenship

You must inherit it from your parents.

And since it's a concept of Natural Law, there is nothing the government can do to change it.

Government can make all the rules they want to 'determine' or 'decide' if someone IS a citizen and put any kind of name on it they like.....but all those citizens can ever be are a type of naturalized citizen.

Those clever old Founders :-)

387 posted on 03/20/2013 3:06:15 PM PDT by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Responding to what I say, I can't do anything about it.

But if you're responding to someone else there is no reason anyone should forced to scroll though a page and a half of your DREK because you've put them on a everybody-on-the-thread PING list.

I am attempting to have a conversation here and you have both fully proven and admitted in the last week you don’t EVEN CARE about the subject matter.

So do us all a favor and go get your Master's Degree in Jackassery somewhere else, m-kay?

388 posted on 03/20/2013 3:27:44 PM PDT by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Sorry 'bout that last post - it was supposed to be to Jeff.

I must have had 2 windows open with your name in it!

Whoops!

389 posted on 03/20/2013 3:38:04 PM PDT by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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