[DiogenesLamp]

I'm sorry, but James Madison, the Father of Our Constitution, disagrees with you about whether the early America-born Founders and Framers were natural born citizens of the United States. He said, during the debate regarding Smith's eligibility to the House:

In the Same manner that John Bingham disagrees with me. You are simply distorting Madison's point. Madison usage of the word "place" is not a simple geographic boundary. If it were, he would need add nothing to it.

But Madison goes on to explain what he meant by "place." He meant born to a long established family in a long established community, and therefore bound to that community by societal and familial bounds.

You are just leaving out Madison's version of "allegiance to no other sovereign", same as you did with Bingham. You are like a one trick pony in this regard.

I'm not going to bother addressing the rest of your verbiage. I am confident it too is crap.

[Jeff Winston]

In the Same manner that John Bingham disagrees with me. You are simply distorting Madison's point. Madison usage of the word "place" is not a simple geographic boundary. If it were, he would need add nothing to it.

I'm distorting Madison's point?

I'm not the person arguing that "place" doesn't mean "place."