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To: Spaulding

Getting on up in years and frankly I don’t recall when elections were ever auditable ~ maybe a proxy vote in a corporation where you can match names to ballots, but there’s no audit trail of any kind in political elections ~ never was.


23 posted on 11/28/2012 4:50:21 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"Getting on up in years and frankly I don’t recall when elections were ever auditable."

It depended upon which state you lived in. There were states using paper ballots, where the ballots were counted before disappearing into the abyss into the 70s. Cheating with punch cards was becoming endemic then, but assumed that those manning precincts were generaly honest. I too think they were generally honest, but the responsibility for handling the ballots and providing an auditable local count, a count performed in the presence of all precinct volunteers, had been removed from those ordinary people, ostensibly to allow radio and television to report numbers sooner. There are many ways to cheat, but it begins with an honest count of the ballots before they can be tampered with, and that stopped.

People still trusted that voting was an almost sacred privilege then, but they were wrong. I first began to pay attention when, a designer of secure laboratory information management systems, “LIMS”, I had faced the necessity of audit trails in order to obtain certification from the FDA for both drug manufacturers and commercial analytical chemistry companies. I came across a little book by two counterculture rock promoters, the Collins brothers, one an attorney, who tried to challenge Claude Pepper in Florida in 1970. Their story, told in a little book called “Votescam”, rang true. The characters involved, Alcee Hastings, Janet Reno,... and the court cases they published, along with a video of the phony vote count by the League of Women voters, whose President committed suicide after being cornered with the videotaped truth, make a case our political “leaders” seem always to have tried to dismiss. Fraud is a fact. Not many votes need to be invented, or removed, or disqualified, to swing elections. The fact remains that big or little, there is no apparent interest by either party, though Allen West put up a bit of a fight, in fixing this.

Unless we repair our voting mechanisms elections are a ruse. Reported numbers can be, and probably are, anything those in control think they can getaway with. With Holder and a president who was a trainer for Project Vote and Acorn, citizens are a flock of sheep. Keep them just a little discouraged and they will timidly accept whatever platitudes the pundits on either side feed them. This is the time to join the only party, the Democrat party, because there may be a chance to influence those Democrat party members who still think we live in a representative republic. Many of them, speaking from experience with engineers examining voting technology in a couple of university engineering departments, hold to the same principles of representative government that I do, but have their social or other reasons for identifying with Democrats.

25 posted on 11/28/2012 9:07:25 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: muawiyah
"Getting on up in years and frankly I don’t recall when elections were ever auditable."

It depended upon which state you lived in. There were states using paper ballots, where the ballots were counted before disappearing into the abyss into the 70s. Cheating with punch cards was becoming endemic then, but assumed that those manning precincts were generaly honest. I too think they were generally honest, but the responsibility for handling the ballots and providing an auditable local count, a count performed in the presence of all precinct volunteers, had been removed from those ordinary people, ostensibly to allow radio and television to report numbers sooner. There are many ways to cheat, but it begins with an honest count of the ballots before they can be tampered with, and that stopped.

People still trusted that voting was an almost sacred privilege then, but they were wrong. I first began to pay attention when, a designer of secure laboratory information management systems, “LIMS”, I had faced the necessity of audit trails in order to obtain certification from the FDA for both drug manufacturers and commercial analytical chemistry companies. I came across a little book by two counterculture rock promoters, the Collins brothers, one an attorney, who tried to challenge Claude Pepper in Florida in 1970. Their story, told in a little book called “Votescam”, rang true. The characters involved, Alcee Hastings, Janet Reno,... and the court cases they published, along with a video of the phony vote count by the League of Women voters, whose President committed suicide after being cornered with the videotaped truth, make a case our political “leaders” seem always to have tried to dismiss. Fraud is a fact. Not many votes need to be invented, or removed, or disqualified, to swing elections. The fact remains that big or little, there is no apparent interest by either party, though Allen West put up a bit of a fight, in fixing this.

Unless we repair our voting mechanisms elections are a ruse. Reported numbers can be, and probably are, anything those in control think they can getaway with. With Holder and a president who was a trainer for Project Vote and Acorn, citizens are a flock of sheep. Keep them just a little discouraged and they will timidly accept whatever platitudes the pundits on either side feed them. This is the time to join the only party, the Democrat party, because there may be a chance to influence those Democrat party members who still think we live in a representative republic. Many of them, speaking from experience with engineers examining voting technology in a couple of university engineering departments, hold to the same principles of representative government that I do, but have their social or other reasons for identifying with Democrats.

26 posted on 11/28/2012 9:07:39 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: muawiyah
"Getting on up in years and frankly I don’t recall when elections were ever auditable."

It depended upon which state you lived in. There were states using paper ballots, where the ballots were counted before disappearing into the abyss into the 70s. Cheating with punch cards was becoming endemic then, but assumed that those manning precincts were generaly honest. I too think they were generally honest, but the responsibility for handling the ballots and providing an auditable local count, a count performed in the presence of all precinct volunteers, had been removed from those ordinary people, ostensibly to allow radio and television to report numbers sooner. There are many ways to cheat, but it begins with an honest count of the ballots before they can be tampered with, and that stopped.

People still trusted that voting was an almost sacred privilege then, but they were wrong. I first began to pay attention when, a designer of secure laboratory information management systems, “LIMS”, I had faced the necessity of audit trails in order to obtain certification from the FDA for both drug manufacturers and commercial analytical chemistry companies. I came across a little book by two counterculture rock promoters, the Collins brothers, one an attorney, who tried to challenge Claude Pepper in Florida in 1970. Their story, told in a little book called “Votescam”, rang true. The characters involved, Alcee Hastings, Janet Reno,... and the court cases they published, along with a video of the phony vote count by the League of Women voters, whose President committed suicide after being cornered with the videotaped truth, make a case our political “leaders” seem always to have tried to dismiss. Fraud is a fact. Not many votes need to be invented, or removed, or disqualified, to swing elections. The fact remains that big or little, there is no apparent interest by either party, though Allen West put up a bit of a fight, in fixing this.

Unless we repair our voting mechanisms elections are a ruse. Reported numbers can be, and probably are, anything those in control think they can getaway with. With Holder and a president who was a trainer for Project Vote and Acorn, citizens are a flock of sheep. Keep them just a little discouraged and they will timidly accept whatever platitudes the pundits on either side feed them. This is the time to join the only party, the Democrat party, because there may be a chance to influence those Democrat party members who still think we live in a representative republic. Many of them, speaking from experience with engineers examining voting technology in a couple of university engineering departments, hold to the same principles of representative government that I do, but have their social or other reasons for identifying with Democrats.

27 posted on 11/28/2012 9:18:10 PM PST by Spaulding
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