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There Is A Brutal Civil War In The GOP, And It Looks Like Karl Rove Will Be The First Casualty
Business Insider ^ | |Nov. 10, 2012 | Grace Wyler

Posted on 11/12/2012 5:10:42 PM PST by Kevmo

Grassroots Republican operatives and Movement conservatives are quickly turning against the GOP Establishment in the wake of the party's expensive defeat this election cycle.

Republicans we spoke to this week voiced a near-universal disgust with the national Republican Party leaders and Washington political class, who are seen as having put their personal financial interest above winning the election.

As this internecine struggle gathers steam, the first target appears to be Karl Rove, the former Bush campaign mastermind who has dictated much of the GOP's strategy over the past decade.

In the wake of the party's 2012 losses, however, Rove and his well-funded American Crossroads super PAC have become a symbol of misguided Establishment strategy, party cronyism, and Beltway bloat. .... The party's perceived betrayal of Akin confirmed what many grassroots conservative activists had long suspected: That the Republican Establishment was willing to throw the base under the bus to serve the interests of deep-pocketed donors. .... In a post leading the conservative site RedState this weekend, the Romney campaign is accused of being a "con job," in which consultants spun "false data as truth in order to paint a rosy picture of a successful campaign as a form of job security." .... And among Republicans, there is a sense that the Establishment is getting what it deserves. In an email to Business Insider, one GOP strategist summed it up:

"A party who won't paint in bold colors, who puts out flawed messengers, who doesn't focus on fundamentals, who pisses off the young and the libertarian, well, that party just got what was coming to it."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/karl-rove-gop-money-civil-war-republicans-2012-11#ixzz2C3muQ2J7

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KEYWORDS: 2012rncstrategy; americancrossroads; gopcivilwar; karlrove; pac; romney2012
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To: ConservativeMind

DU leftists love that language, and it is used openly on DU, they think it makes them sound concise, and conservative with words, to get that in front of the general public seems to appeal to them.


61 posted on 11/12/2012 6:15:34 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: tennmountainman
Let's kick Boozer the he// out and replace him with Mark Levin, champion of true American Conservatism.

Levin loves America, Reagan and TEA.

Woohoo! Can you imagine?

HEADLINE!
Speaker of the House Mark Levin calls president obama A BIG DUMMIE! He also was reported to have told the president “"Hey look pal, you are now going to have to deal with me, A Real Man."” It's been rumored that obama, wet his pants, began to stutter and began to blink uncontrollably. An unnamed source also reported that for days now the president cannot stop giving the finger to both friend and foe. It's been reported that Putin stormed out of his meeting with the president in an angry huff calling the president a "gibbering idiot." Also in attendance was Speaker of the House, Mark Levin who was reported to be rolling on the floor and laughing his ass off.
We will be following this story closely.

62 posted on 11/12/2012 6:23:50 PM PST by billys kid ("Bury me on my head for one day this world will be upside down." (Diogenes))
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To: Theodore R.

We still have the majority and a lot of the tea partiers we put in place in 2010 are no longer “Freshmen” under the thumb of leadership.


63 posted on 11/12/2012 6:28:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

What they do going forward will determine if they hace been co-opted or not. I pray they remember why they are there and fight Bhoner every step of the way.


64 posted on 11/12/2012 6:30:11 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SatinDoll
The Republican Party is about Liberty, and the responsible use of that Liberty.

So they (the Pub's) allowed Romney to be the front man. Mr. Socialized Healthcare himself.The Republican Party is best when they are in the minority. They don't know how to lead or kick the country's opponents in the balls. They are go along to get along.

65 posted on 11/12/2012 6:35:28 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Norm Lenhart
You do not know that. The reasons Romney lost are probably many but it does no one any good to not look at all of this realistically.

You say the Republicans are not running strong enough conservatives--others say the candidates are too conservative. It's not that simple.

We must examine all the evidence.

I continue to ask specifically who am I supposed to hate. No one answers. I make my vow to support whomever will be our party's nominee in 2016--it is the only way to defeat the Democrat machine.

Obama, and all Democrats are a disaster. Frankly, there may not even be another election but if there is, we must remain united to defeat the evil Democrats.

66 posted on 11/12/2012 6:35:29 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: ansel12

I’ve seen enough “FUMR”s on FR for a lifetime. I am just giving my salute to Karl Rove.

However, I will refrain from further usage of this.


67 posted on 11/12/2012 6:41:01 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Personally, I agree with you on what I would do to defeat the Democrats. The key is this: the establishment is hurting us in those efforts.


68 posted on 11/12/2012 6:41:40 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: DLfromthedesert

NO argument here on that.

By the way, take a look at this:
www.gone2012book.com


69 posted on 11/12/2012 6:43:07 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Do you seriously deny the evidence that since Reagan (who they opposed internally) the GOP has run progressively more go along get along candidates?

Do you deny that as the voices for conservative governance grows louder in the rank and file, the GOP leadership ignores and fights it with increasing vigor?

Yes, I KNOW that because I can read. I can look at their actions and admit to my formerly GOP self that my party abandoned what I believe in, post Reagan, and adopted the policies and methodology of the left.

And if you do not then you have my sympathy. Actually no. You have my scorn until you remove the rose colored glasses and stop living a Rovian fantasy. The GOP is every bit the problem. If you want to continue to prop up a party that thinks you are pond scum, a crazy old aunt to be hidden and humored until needed, then be my guest. But don’t complain when the dog bites you.


70 posted on 11/12/2012 6:43:43 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: DLfromthedesert
Rove can be blamed for a lot of things, but he didn’t force Akin to be an idiot!!!

Yep! Seeing how Akin got drubbed in Missouri and Murodock went down in Indiana by large margins even while Romney easily carried both states indicates that it is far more likely that these two idiots dragged Romney down than the reverse.

71 posted on 11/12/2012 6:47:27 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

I’m sure the GOP campaigning against him along side the Dems helped loads. Pulling the funding of a rock solid for many years vote helped to no doubt...

His one mistake did not warrant the treatment he recieved in light of his prior record. Period.


72 posted on 11/12/2012 6:51:31 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: ConservativeMind

You sound like me, the weight of seeing all this stuff, all the time, is becoming an issue with you too.


73 posted on 11/12/2012 7:01:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Lets not forget “crybaby” Lugar and Lisa MOOOOkowski. When they lost in their respective primaries, they either ran 3rd party or back stabbed the primary winner.


74 posted on 11/12/2012 7:10:21 PM PST by Kolath
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To: Kevmo

The entire elitist Establishment wing or the Republican a.k.a RINO wing should be identified and targeted for TEA party primary opposition in 2014 or when their term expires.. Here are a few names to start with: Mitch McConnell, author of the sequestration deal that puts all the cards in Obama’s hands; John “Boo Hoo” Boehner, the absolute worse negotiator the Republican party ever set forth and guaranteed to fold like a lawn chair at every opportunity; Lyndsay Graham who will cross the aisle for any and every reason and at any and every opportunity and has the backbone of a sea cucumber; Orin Hatch, see Lyndsay Graham; John McCain, really? really? you have to ask after McCain Feingold;


75 posted on 11/12/2012 7:41:48 PM PST by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

I will make him one out of toilet paper (used) : )


76 posted on 11/12/2012 7:47:22 PM PST by contrarian (AmeriKa this is just SO WRONG)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Tell me who I am to hate besides Rove. I hate liberalism and will do anything to diminish their power and that means always voting for the Republican at every opportunity.

Until we achieve perfection, I will use the William F Buckley method of choosing a candidate--always vote for the most conservative--WHO CAN WIN.

77 posted on 11/13/2012 5:33:25 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Who is the establishment and how are they hurting us? I see a highly fractured party where everyone wants it their way or they 're not going to play ball.

My hatred toward liberalism is so strong I'll use every little opportunity wherever possible to make even the smallest gains to stop liberals (Democrats).

We can't even make that simple pledge among ourselves that we hate liberalim more than we hate those on our own side. It is hopeless until we are willing to make that pledge.

78 posted on 11/13/2012 5:37:08 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Get the book and you’ll have all of your questions answered. In the meantime, the establishment is more a mindset than a group necessarily, but that group would include most of the nameless faceless strategists who run most of the campaigns, it would include Rove, Ed Rollins and folks like that. It includes pundits like Will, Noonan, Krauthammer. Fred Barnes is one who is sometimes estab and sometimes not. It inlcudes turn coats like Joe Scarborough, Matthew Dowd, Chris Buckley and David Brooks. It includes politicians like McCain, Lindsay Graham, Olympia Snowe, John Boehner - and in the past Gerald Ford, Bob Dole, etc. Jack Kemp is one who was great, and then went “estab” on us.
Some say Ann Coulter has been “domesticated” and is now estab for example.

How to they hurt? They allow Allen West’s district to be gerrymandered out of existence. They tell the press that “Obama care is now the law of the land” after a very close election. They fund Rick Santorum’s campaign for the express purpose of derailing Newt Gingrich’s campaign. They run campaigns not to offend moderates instead of campaigns to take the fight to liberals, killing our chances. They don’t see this as you do, a fight between liberal evil and survival of the nation.

That’s a teeny answer: order this in a day when it’s live:
www.gone2012book.com


79 posted on 11/13/2012 6:10:36 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I can see all that for myself but I also see these same names come and go from one list to the other depending on their latest positions on issues. Your sentence about them funding Santorum to derail Gingrich is the perfect example of how divided we are.

There is a die-hard Santorum contingent that swears he was cheated and treated unfairly. Both points of view cannot be true.

Tell you what, my desire to rid our country of this cancer of liberalism is so strong, I'm perfectly willing to allow you to choose the nominee and I'll for for him (or her).

This is my vow--we must hang together to take back our country, little by little if that is the way we must do it. I can do basic math and unless we hang together, we lose and socialism/communism win.

80 posted on 11/13/2012 6:38:41 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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