GOP civil war: Herman Cain calls for third party

Salon ^ | November 7, 2012 | Alex Seitz-Wald

[freekitty]

hope so

[dfwgator]

The way things are going the GOP WILL BE the third party.

[marron]

I wouldn’t follow Cain into a third party. There are a couple of other names that could get me there, though.

[OneWingedShark]

Yup. 3rd party's fail utterly in the United States. We hear this nonsense about forming new ones around election time every year and nothing is going to come of it.

See Post #36.

[Viennacon]

I can see problems with a third party challenge however. It would likely end up the same way that the ‘Dixiecrats’ did. We might win South Carolina and Alabama with effort, but we’d lose places like Montana.

The issue we have is that the Republican party is a coalition of different people. The religiously active conservatives who want pro-life and traditional marriage amendments pursued, and the more moderate, casual conservatives, who are mainly focused on fiscal issues, worry about the debt etc. One of the problems is candidates voted in by the latter group never serve as fiscal conservatives anyway. Look at Boehner.

The challenge for us is patching together social and economic conservatives in a strong way, whether that means starting a new party and doing some very careful planning, or simply working like hell to completely overthrow the GOP-E in 2014. Getting rid of Boehner would be symbolic.

[SoConPubbie]

Well - just goes to tell ya, Herman isn’t very bright.

Sorry Ron, I don't disagree with you often, but this time you are wrong.

We, as conservatives are not going to get any traction anymore within the GOP.

Now is absolutely the time to focus on a third-party, if nothing else, to force the GOP to listen.

They appear to have the same character flaws visible with the adherents of Islam, they only understand force.

As for this conservative, they've taken me for granted for the last time.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

The way the GOP has been going, we would Win in Montana by a mile.

[OneWingedShark]

The way things are going the GOP WILL BE the third party.

Couldn't have anything to do with the talk of Jeb Bush for 2016, could it? [/sarc]
Hell, I think I'd be a better candidate for president.

[pepperdog]

I do not blame Romney, I think he ran a fine campaign. I blame the RNC for not putting pressure on the States to quit with the cross lines voting during the primaries and the early primaries. And they can do it by refusing to recognize the votes of those States. In the last two Presidential elections the candidates were chosen by mostly left leaning States with early primaries and cross line voting. How can we expect to get a candidate that is cohesive with this kind of garbage going on? Answer: we can't! I live in Oklahoma, a completely red state, not one county went to Obama. States like mine should be the first primary States, if we have to have firsts, better would be one day for all primaries and no early voting. The current goat rope is senseless and will never produce a Republican President!

[Mr Rogers]

Sign me up too!

We wouldn’t win for a while, but ‘winning’ with RINOs isn’t winning anyways...and we haven’t won much during the last 20 years.

[Ron C.]

Well, I remember too well the big push for a third party in 1991 - many conservatives thought a third party would do well and pushed Ross Perot. That was an utter failure to create a third party.

The problem is far greater than you imagine - you need total organization in all 50 states, complete with full party registration, full party membership that runs well into the millions of members.

You can't create that fast enough, and there are too many tea party members working to build the GOP up from the bottom to stop them from doing that and get them to start all over again.

[TwelveOfTwenty]

Talk of forming a third party for Conservatives won't help for one reason. The reason we're getting more RINOs is because Americans in general are moving to the left. In the case of Conservatives, many would have been called moderates a few years ago.

Take Scott Brown for example. Does any one here think that Massachusetts voters would have elected a real Conservative instead? I know this is an extreme example, but we're facing the same situation to a lesser degree throughout the country. If the GOP is running RINOs instead of Conservatives in the general elections, it's because the VOTERS nominated them.

I realize attacking the GOP is the easy way out, but if voters won't elect true Conservatives as Republicans, they won't vote for them under another party name. Until we address that and win Americans back to Conservative values, we'll keep getting RINOs.

[Mr Rogers]

It looks to me like we’ve lost the country, and we sure are not going to regain it with Northeastern Liberal Republicans running the GOP. A week ago, I strongly opposed a third party. But now I figure we have nothing to lose but despair...

[Longbow1969]

Bunk.

Things are different, and things are broken.

We need a new approach.

What are you waiting for then? There are plenty of third party's and some fake Tea Party's that the Democrats fund too. You could even join FR's own Tom Hoefling's party that got some tiny fraction of votes and made utterly no difference.

We hear this 3rd party blather around every election and it isn't going to amount to squat. Even Ron Paul figured this out which is why he runs in the Republican Party now. The nutty LaRouchies even know this which is why they run as Democrats.

[TwelveOfTwenty]

Well, I remember too well the big push for a third party in 1991 - many conservatives thought a third party would do well and pushed Ross Perot. That was an utter failure to create a third party.

That was a disaster for another reason. Since Clinton was in the White House when Ecommerce and Y2K created all of those tech jobs, he got the credit. Even now, many Americans still give Clinton credit for that boom, even though it would have happened regardless of who was President. As a result, we're still fighting against the memory of "Clinton's economy".

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Thanks.

Or we could form our own. A real, conservative American party.

I’m in if we do. I’ll vote for our guy (or lady) if we do not.

It’s a bit soon to get most interested yet. But let’s not wait too long.

:D

[IrishPennant]

IMHO only, we can start anything we want...but nothing has an effect until we take back the mass media...Soros has won these battle thus far by doing so. There is absolutely no way to deny that.

In a fair minded media this purple lipped bastard would have never made it in office to begin with.

Controlling the media is the first step in every communist/marxist/socialist takeover...they have had it for a long time now.

As much as I hate presenting a problem without offering a solution, as stupid as it may be, I have very little on how to get the 6 o'clock news, the Stewarts/Letterman/Lenos back to balanced...Even those powerful enough with cash are going to have a hard time getting through the FCC license regulations.

[CORedneck]

Like the socialists and communist that took over the democrat party, it is time to take the Republican Party back from the RINO’s, socialist lite, country clubbing executives and make it the party for the working man and small businesses.

[Longbow1969]

but nothing has an effect until we take back the mass media

Yup, the leftist media probably adds 5-10 points to the Democrats total each and every election - and it moves our culture further and further to the secular left.

Here is what I don't get. Conservative donors manage to pony up hundreds of millions of dollars to Karl Rove's SuperPAC among others, yet they don't seem to realize that this money could be better spent buying up media. Our side needs to be grabbing up media outlets - everything from magazines to entire networks if we can get them.

[LouAvul]

Isn’t this what the Constitution Party is?