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To: NY4Romney

I’m agreed on state picks, that’s the breakdown.

“As such, in order to win Ohio Obama would have to win the popular vote by more than 2.6%”

This would suggest that if Obama wins the popular vote by 1.6% he would lose Ohio. I know you’re not drawing a hard line on that. I just think that the fundamental analysis of close states like Ohio does not come down to a comparison to 2008.

4 terrible years and the recent debate have changed the structural nature of people’s choice when it comes to the 10% or so that are actually making a choice.

Obama is an entirely different brand now. In Bush’s case in election 2 ... he was still the Bush everyone knew ... it was just a case of whether he was more popular or less popular after 4 years.

I think people are now making up their minds about whether Obama is the SAME man as the man (or illusion) selected in 2008. So I think this is more of a binary choice for the uncommitted. They are not saying ‘do I like him more or less now’ ... they are saying ‘fraud?’.

That was the primary thing Mitt exposed. Then, in addition, Mitt was impressive, took care of a half billion in negative trash adds, and offered himself as a more than acceptable alternative to ‘fraud.’

So I think the choice for the as-yet-uncommitted, individually and as a group, is not an apples to apples, continuum style comparison to 2008. It’s “OK, who is this guy, and is he actually the same man I projected him to be in 2008, or is he the meek, semi intelligent petulant tongue tied arrogant teen ager I now see before me?”

That said - on state breakdowns I’m dead on with ya.


6 posted on 10/10/2012 10:12:25 AM PDT by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: HannibalHamlinJr

I do believe it is, theoretically, possible for Obama to win the popular vote (even if just by 1% or less) and lose the electoral votes. Unlikely, but possible - I don’t think it’s just like 2008, but I do think Obama would have to get at least 2% or so lead in the national vote to win Ohio, and I don’t see that happening.

ALSO, some food for thought:

Today, Romney’s RCP average of polls is Romney +0.5, 47.8 to 47.3 for Obama.

4 years ago on this exact date, it was OBAMA +7.6, 49.4 compared to only 42.8 for McCain. An 8 point swing, and a lead he never lost, staying between 7 and 8 points above McCain until election day. I don’t see that kind of switch happening now, at most they may be tied by election day, but I suspect Romney will be up in the polls (in 2008, the final RCP avg was Obama: 52 to McCain 44, so the Obamabots that think Obama will somehow pull this out while he’s being smashed in the polls just isn’t going to work out too well).


27 posted on 10/10/2012 11:07:41 AM PDT by NY4Romney
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