[allmendream]

Not really muddies, facts should clarify things, not muddy them.

It is clear (to me) that both 0bama and Kapi’olani claim Kapi’olani. Where the claim of Queen's came from I have no idea (anyone got a source for that one?).

But it isn't as if there is no hospital in Hawaii that is associated with his birth, apparently there are two hospitals via CONFLICTING stories!

And I still think getting fixated upon “in the United States” vs “in Hawaii” is a distinction without a difference. The “narrative” is STILL “born in Hawaii” - and Hawaii IS “in the United States”.

Now the distinction between “citizen” and “natural born citizen” is one that I agree should be kept clear and distinct at all times - but “born in the United States” vs “born in Hawaii”????

There may well be an effort to not associate the issue with the freak show Hawaii governor - but really - is anyone claiming any OTHER State than Hawaii? No. The narrative hasn't changed, and one example of “born in the United States” is hardly the establishment of a trend away from “born in Hawaii”.

[philman_36]

There may well be an effort to not associate the issue with the freak show Hawaii governor...

Let's look at what you said again...
Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu read aloud the letter...

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Abercrombie did it and you're doing it.

[philman_36]

BTW...
...one example of “born in the United States” is hardly the establishment of a trend away from “born in Hawaii”.
Are you sure there is only one example?
You aren't sure about Queen's Medical Center so...
Don't get ahead of your guessing.