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Will Sarah Palin get a second chance at the presidency?
Helium ^ | August 3, 2020 | Felix Jaure

Posted on 08/02/2010 8:51:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: PaleoBob
God's plan for Palin is not POTUS. She has huge negatives with Independents and swing voters. Palin’s endorsements had a negative effect in NH.

Our trust must be with the Lord who will lead us through the thicket of worry.

41 posted on 08/03/2010 12:32:32 AM PDT by saltus (God's Will be done)
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To: saltus
God's plan for Palin is not POTUS. She has huge negatives with Independents and swing voters. Palin’s endorsements had a negative effect in NH. Our trust must be with the Lord who will lead us through the thicket of worry.

Hey, thanks for letting us all know what God's plan is. Got any stock tips?

BTW, the only person worried about Palin's effect on "Independents and swing voters" is Hillary - she wouldn't be your "Lord who will lead us through the thicket of worry," now would she?

(P.S. The only people who spout phrases like "huge negatives" along with invocations of "the Lord" - all while presuming to speak for God - are Rat policy wonks sneering at Christians. Yeah, you stick out that badly, shmuck.)

"Thicket of worry"?! LOL! What a pompous ass! Run back to your mistress and wag your butt for her, troll.

42 posted on 08/03/2010 1:00:05 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker
"Thicket of worry"?! LOL! What a pompous ass! Run back to your mistress and wag your butt for her, troll

LOL

43 posted on 08/03/2010 1:04:28 AM PDT by jla
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To: saltus

Gov. Palin has HUGE, growing positives,
except with ObamaBOTs and RomneyBOTs.

Which did you say you were?


44 posted on 08/03/2010 4:14:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: saltus
Palin’s endorsements had a negative effect in NH.

Don't believe everything you read in the communist Union Leader...I would agree that marxist NH hates Palin, but I think Ayotte was being damaged by those black and white television ads being run by her Senate opponent, communist Paul Hodes. Those ads were running everywhere when Palin made her endorsement, and I believe the corrupt NH media just used that opportunity to hang Ayotte's sliding numbers around Palin's neck.

45 posted on 08/03/2010 4:23:56 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s some pretty tough reading, but here’s a start on a translation: affective = effective, bare = bear.

Capitalization, punctuation, contractions, sentence beginnings and endings, verb agreement, coherence of thought, thread of argument, and accuracy in description, attribution and facts are all beyond the bother of useful salvage.


46 posted on 08/03/2010 4:34:19 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: PaleoBob; OldDeckHand

Thanks for the reminder and education. I needed it!


47 posted on 08/03/2010 6:34:17 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: ansel12; RobRoy
"None of them were bland or generic."

No, but each one of those men served at least eight years in either statewide, or federal office (or both) before being elected to President. Palin served about 30 months in statewide office, before quitting.

With respect to "bland or generic", each one of those men (with the exception of Kennedy who actually was elected by a razor thin margin), appealed broadly to independents and moderates, especially Clinton and Reagan. So far, Palin has shown no ability to connect with moderates and independents. Perhaps that will change, but right now, it's problematic.

48 posted on 08/03/2010 7:15:48 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Your post was off the subject of my post of course but I get your anti-Palin message.

Personally, I greatly prefer Governor Palin to Lyndon Johnson, JFK, Nixon, and Bill Clinton, but that is just me, an independent.


49 posted on 08/03/2010 7:39:40 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: OldDeckHand

Palin did swimmingly with independents and moderates in Alaska until she had the full force of the national Democrat media and national Democrat operatives plotting against her.

She’s starting from behind with them now on the national stage, but if/when she wins them it’s all over.


50 posted on 08/03/2010 8:17:05 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a poorly written article.

I believe Sarah Palin will be the Republican nominee for President in 2012 and I really hope she wins.

She said the other day that Obama had no “cojones” to enforce America’s immigration laws - true and brilliant!


51 posted on 08/03/2010 8:29:31 AM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: ansel12

>>That sure doesn’t fit my memory of colorful and intense, and unique politicians like JFK, Nixon, Lyndon Baines Johnson, Reagan, Bill Clinton. None of them were bland or generic.<<

I was not clear about what I meant by “bland”. Even Bud ads are not bland. They are exciting and imply a great lifestyle and all sorts of wonderful things. But the beer itself is “bland”. Its main redeeming feature is that it is “cold”.

Same with those politicians. For starters, I am talking about BEFORE they get elected. They may have been flamboyant, given all sorts of speeches about “we can do it” and “America is great” and other platitudes, but they carefully avoided specifics until they got into office.

Specifics are poison during an election, unless they are supported by a super majority. People like Palin are into too many specifics to get elected. e.g. I strongly agree with her “drill baby drill” line, but it is a negative for too many people.


52 posted on 08/03/2010 8:29:48 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She hasnt had a 1st chance...

Will Sarah Palin get a 1st chance at the presidency ???


53 posted on 08/03/2010 8:30:11 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: OldDeckHand; ansel12

And to be fair, sometimes it depends greatly on who you are running against. Obama didn’t have to try very hard to beat “Dole II”.


54 posted on 08/03/2010 8:31:55 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: ansel12
'Your post was off the subject of my post of course but I get your anti-Palin message."

No, it wasn't. You said those former Presidents weren't "bland". Using the strict definition of that word, that's probably true, but what the original poster meant by "bland", was that irrespective of their core ideology, they appealed to independents and moderates in a compelling way. So far, Palin repels independents and moderates.

55 posted on 08/03/2010 8:47:03 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: 9YearLurker
"Palin did swimmingly with independents and moderates in Alaska until she had the full force of the national Democrat media and national Democrat operatives plotting against her."

It's a good thing all those people won't be involved in the 2012 campaign. /s

Whatever opposition Palin felt in Alaska after the 2008 nomination, it will be only a fraction of what is yet to come. The fact that she demonstrated absolutely no ability to effectively push back that opposition - which we see empirically vis-a-vis her plummeting poll numbers in Alaska after the 2008 nomination - does not bode well for her chances in the more immediate future. So far, she just can't manage her image beyond her base. Image is all any politician has - it's their stock & trade.

56 posted on 08/03/2010 8:51:09 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Pshaw. She’s blown away the image issue in terms of competence by being the most influential out-of-office pol in a long, long, long time. She’s got a pretty good stand on the issues for attracting moderates, independents and Reagan Democrats. So it’s only a matter of time making her acceptable to the mushy moderates in blue and purple states. She doesn’t really need them until she sows up the nomination and then simply by being one of the two nominees she’ll have established herself with the hardly-cognizant mushy middles anyway.

She’s in great shape and ahead of anyone else at this point.


57 posted on 08/03/2010 9:02:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How can people respond when we’re being censored and threatened with banning for posting Palin criticisms?

You all should get together and ask Jim to lift the curfew and then we can have a legitimate and honest discussion.


58 posted on 08/03/2010 9:03:18 AM PDT by Bob J (Will all my comments be censored?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Of course not, anyone can become president if enough people vote for them.

The only legitimate question is whether Palin can pull that kind of vote in TODAY, since no one knows what the future may hold.

My answer to that question is no. Palin cannot pull in enough votes from independents and blue dogs to win a general TODAY even if she gets 100% of the conservative and pub vote, which itself may be a question.

Throw in the fact she is a polarizing figure, her opponents fundraising will run double the normal and that the libs and dems will pull out all stops to defeat her. She is the republicans Hillary Clinton.

IMO she can win the primary but not the general. FWIW I don’t see that changing in the next couple of years, but who knows.


59 posted on 08/03/2010 9:03:23 AM PDT by Bob J (Will all my comments be censored?)
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To: OldDeckHand

Actually Palin does great in polling for this stage of the game, I don’t recall conservatives ever being this well positioned at this early date, to take the republican nomination.


60 posted on 08/03/2010 9:06:29 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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