Posted on 04/30/2010 5:41:43 PM PDT by grand wazoo
"The Tea Party needs to make a choice between an "R" or a "D", or so says Sarah Palin. The GOP rock star told an audience full of Tea Party members in Arkansas on Tuesday night, Feb. 16, that the Independents, who make up the Tea Party movement, need to start thinking about picking a party.
I think she is right. The Tea Party needs to make a choice, but not from within the two-party system that Palin claims we are stuck with. The Tea Party needs to decide right now whether they are going to let this movement be stolen by failed establishment candidates, or whether or not it is going to press forward and elect independent and third party candidates.
We do have choices, and they are not limited to Republicans and Democrats.
The Tea Party, from its beginning, was formed in response to the failure of both parties to listen to the will of the people. For Sarah Palin to suggest that we should pick between those same two failed parties is an insult. The rank in file members of the Tea Party movement should throw their current leaders out on their ear for allowing a movement of independents and Constitutionalists to be highjacked by either party.
Palin rightly points out that the Tea Party is not a Political party and cannot run candidates, but she is wrong to say there are only two choices because there is another choice: The Constitution Party. The Constitution Party has candidates running for office all across the United States, and the Constitution Party platform fits the Tea Party like a glove.
The Republicans and Democrats share the blame for our current economic crisis, and neither party has any real solution on how to fix it. Both parties gave us bailouts and stimulus programs adding mountains of debt that our children and grandchildren will have to pay back. In spite of all that money being spent, we still had 473,000 people file for unemployment benefits in the second week of February and have lost over 8 million jobs since 2007. With a track record like that, there is no reason whatsoever that America should choose between either party currently in power.
To say we have to pick between two incompetent choices is absolute lunacy. What America needs to do right now is make the decision not to return either Party back to Washington or any State office for that matter. Vote in a party with American ideas; a Party who has an American view of how the government should be run; a party that realizes that the Constitution is more than a word you say at a rally to get some applause. They need to vote in The Constitution Party.
If Palin was a true tea party patriot, she would not be asking us to choose between a Marxist party and a Fascist party. She would be leading her followers to a truly American party. . . . . The Constitution Party.
We are a nation, who is ruled by the consent of the governed. It is time the people remove their consent from the two establishment parties and put a Constitution Party candidate into office. The only way for both establishment parties to get the message is for both establishment parties to lose. To vote for either a Republican or a Democrat is to give your consent to two political parties who have made a living out of betraying the American people, our Founding Fathers and our Constitution, which each one swears fidelity to upon taking office.
America, don’t be fooled. Neither establishment party can be trusted. Send the hijackers packing, and let’s continue to build upon a truly great movement of the people.
Your single issue is abortion, as you have made abundantly clear over the years. For you, it is such a "single issue" that you are willing to assist the destruction of the whole USA just to make your statement.
I agree with you that abortion is a violation of the right to life, but it is not the only issue. I have no patience or sympathy for martyrs, political or other.
I encourage everyone who has children, for whom they would like to leave a free country, not to follow the suggestions of the barking moonbats of either the left or the right.
I just told you that I voted for Sali. It was his responsibility to campaign to garner the votes of other Republicans in the district. You are being extremely dishonest trying to lay the blame for his loss on me or anyone else who actually voted for him.
Like I said. It was people who sound just like you who cut Bill Sali’s legs out from under him. The Democrats couldn’t have done it without the help of the Republican hacks who hated Bill because he’s not like you: despiteful towards those who actually care that more than four thousand little children are brutally killed in this country every single day.
You tipped your hand with the old “single issue” shibboleth, RINO.
Who ever said it was? This attack is nothing more than a tired old liberal Republican straw man intended to denigrate conservatives.
You are wrong about just about everything. You should seek psychatric help.
You would have made a good Soviet apparatchik.
You are wrong about just about everything.
Such as?
I hold to the self-evident truth that all men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are the rights to life, liberty and private property. I believe that the raison d'être of all government is to secure those rights.
I believe that all innocent human lives should be protected by all of us, from the biological inception of that life until natural death.
I believe in free speech, freedom of the press, religious liberty, the right of free association and assembly.
I believe in the right to keep and bear arms. I believe that the right to self-defense is inherent in all individuals, families, communities, states, and nations.
I believe in the right to a fair trial by a jury of my peers.
I believe in limited government, particularly our representative, republican, constitutional, form of government based on the rule of law, not the rule of men.
I believe in a free, secure, and sovereign America, one that fulfills its duties in the world.
And a lot more than that. But that's all I have time or inclination to type at this time of the morning.
So, I'm wrong about all that? Wow. Maybe you can explain how that is, and perhaps you can also explain how that adds up to a "single-issue"?
The Tea Party is basically a cut spending, cut taxes, and follow the Constitution, group. Within that group are many sub groups, but I don't think it's a deal breaker if they follow through on budget issues. I'm a Tea Party person and have even spoken at one, but I also have other requirements for my vote. Christian issues, Second Amendment issues and a few others might supercede a spending cut for me personally. The Repubs are going to have to slide more conservative or be thrashed by the Dems in the future. Frankly, I see armed conflict unless they grow a pair.
It's not immune. All human institutions are prone to compromise and corruption and tend to degrade over time. Because they're populated by fallen, fallible humans.
But that fact is not a legitimate excuse for us to not do the best we can in our generation.
And the dangerous ones are those who don't even try to live up to the American standards laid down by our forebears.
I would never vote for a Democrat. Ever.
Good to see the McCain boot licker chiming in.
That doesn't explain your attempts to drive people away from the only structure through which we can defeat the Democrats. In order for the Republican Party to work for the people, and not for the 10% RINOs, people need to stay or get registered as Republicans, and work within their party at the local, county, and state levels, throughout the election cycle.
This is what the TEA Party Patriots have been doing across the nation, at least those who want to save the country. RINOs have to be defeated in the primaries (and/or caucii, for caucus states). In states with closed primaries, only registered Republicans get to vote in Republican primaries.
Those who are advocating third parties, or advocating that people abandon the GOP, are contributing to nothing except success for the Democrats and the absolute destruction of the USA. I believe this is where our conversation started, and these are the simple facts.
Yes they are. Either Pelosi and Reid or Republicans will control congress for the next two years. There is no other choice (except that of which sort of Republicans will, if the GOP wins, be in the majority)
a third party is the ruse of the democrats
true democrat socialist comments.
But your leaders couldn't care less about the Republican Party Platform. They laugh at it, actually, when they pay it any mind at all.
That doesn't explain your attempts to drive people away from the only structure through which we can defeat the Democrats. In order for the Republican Party to work for the people, and not for the 10% RINOs, people need to stay or get registered as Republicans, and work within their party at the local, county, and state levels, throughout the election cycle.
I'm not trying to "drive people away from" the Republican Party. Our political affiliations and candidate endorsements are made according to core principles, what you claim is in the GOP platform, not party registration. You're so trapped in the old way of thinking that you can't even comprehend what I'm telling you. Or, more accurately, you just don't want to understand.
This is what the TEA Party Patriots have been doing across the nation, at least those who want to save the country. RINOs have to be defeated in the primaries (and/or caucii, for caucus states). In states with closed primaries, only registered Republicans get to vote in Republican primaries.
As I already explained, your primary system is completely broken. It is not the control of conservatives. In fact, it's a rigged game against conservatives. Party resources are directed to nominating liberals. And then, if conservatives still manage to win a rigged primary, more often than not the RINOs who control things cut their hamstrings after the primary anyway.
Those who are advocating third parties, or advocating that people abandon the GOP, are contributing to nothing except success for the Democrats and the absolute destruction of the USA. I believe this is where our conversation started, and these are the simple facts.
Not facts, assertions. Unsupported assertions. You can't factually point to a single Democrat who has benefited from one of my actions.
In fact, since we began building an Independent Conservative outside force, the hammer to the conservative Republican anvil, pressure has built steadily on the RINOs who run the GOP, and GOP electoral success has risen, in spite of the RINOs, ie those who think and talk like you do.
Yep, I agree completely ....History itself shows third parties have rarely ever won and they sure didn't have the political dynamics playing out in the administration we have to contend with today. History also teaches that third parties pull votes away from the Republican candidate which then definitely is a vote for the democrat running.
One of the methods RINOs use to control the primaries is advocating for people to leave the party and let the RINOs control the primary elections.
Not facts, assertions. Unsupported assertions. You can't factually point to a single Democrat who has benefited from one of my actions.
I don't know if you personally had anything to do with Bob Barr's candidacy in 2008, but that was one of many cases where a third party candidate took more votes than was the margin between the Democrat and Republican ticket (NC and IN), and the Democrat won those states.
With more than fifty "third parties", it's hard to keep track of which wingnuts are responsible for which.
Like it or not, winning elections boils down to two major parties. Even in multi-party parliamentary systems, coalitions develop to form a general two-party system of sorts.
an Independent Conservative outside force, the hammer to the conservative Republican anvil,
Unless people are getting involved in the process long before the primaries, and working within the GOP party, whatever you are doing is only benefitting the Democrats and RINOs.
In Idaho District 1, my candidate of choice is Vaughn Ward. He is a constitutional conservative (the only real kind of conservative). The party hacks in the legislature are pushing the RINO, Puerto Rican, open-borders, immigration attorney, Raul Labrador. You can name-call all you wish, but I am neither a party hack, nor a RINO.
>true democrat socialist comments.
How so? People are changeable & corruptible, ideals are [often] intrinsically good or evil.
Aside from Jesus Christ, what human deserves abject and unqualified adoration?
Bob Barr is a libertarian, not a conservative, just like many of your party's most-recognizable leaders. I had his number more than a decade ago when he came to my state and endorsed a complete RINO over one the best conservative candidates we ever had.
With more than fifty "third parties", it's hard to keep track of which wingnuts are responsible for which.
Practically all the "third parties" stink. They're trying to be little versions of the Democrat and Republican Parties. None of which says anything about AIP, which isn't. (I note once again your derisive language directed at conservatives.)
Unless people are getting involved in the process long before the primaries, and working within the GOP party, whatever you are doing is only benefitting the Democrats and RINOs.
When the party nominates RINOs anyway, conservatives who are part of that corrupted process, that rigged game, are nothing but cannon fodder and useful idiots. Can you say Arnold Schwarzenegger or John McCain?
In Idaho District 1, my candidate of choice is Vaughn Ward. He is a constitutional conservative (the only real kind of conservative). The party hacks in the legislature are pushing the RINO, Puerto Rican, open-borders, immigration attorney, Raul Labrador. You can name-call all you wish, but I am neither a party hack, nor a RINO.
Well, you're talking their language, and transmitting their attitude, on this thread. As the scripture says: "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." Or in this case, the keyboard.
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