Posted on 07/20/2009 8:52:51 PM PDT by bintenn
Okay, so it sounds like around 120 to 140 police officers tend to be killed in traffic accidents over the course of two years.
On the VPC article, the following are included in their reports:
First, almost half of these were killed by one individual. In this particular case, the shooting took place at the shooter’s residence and I don’t see any indication that not having a permit would have stopped either the incident or the deaths.
One of the other murderers was apparently illegally issued a concealed handgun permit.
Another of the shooters mentioned (in this case no one was killed) “shot through a barricaded door,
wounding two police officers as they broke through it [in a drug raid]. Foster claimed he thought the house
was being robbed. Foster’s lawyer claimed, ‘He didn’t know they were police officers.’”
He stated that he never heard anybody identify themselves as police officers. He had no prior record, was not involved in any illicit drugs, and claims someone else fired the first shot and that he was reacting to a shot fired inward. (Nonetheless, he reportedly pled guilty to two counts of felonious assault.)
In another case, Christina Korbe “told police and relatives she didn’t know law enforcement officials had entered the house to apprehend her husband, Robert, on drug charges. She feared her home, on Wood Runs Road, was being robbed, and her protective maternal instincts kicked in.” She was apparently defending her children from unknown intruders who turned out to be police.
“They busted the door. She was scared. She shot,” said Mr. Roland, who talked to his sister on the phone Wednesday night after she’d been arrested.
“I didn’t know. I didn’t know,” she told her brother. He said she cried as they spoke.
As always, there’s NO attempt by the VPC to evaluate whether any of the people involved would have had guns on them if they hadn’t had a permit (many such cases either obviously would not have been prevented by not having a permit or do not involve the person actually carrying concealed!), and there is NO comparison with any good done by concealed carry permit holders. An earlier study by John Lott found that concealed carry permit holders assist law enforcement officers to a far higher degree than any danger they might possibly represent.
This would be especially true when you take out the incidents of police suddenly and unexpectedly busting doors down on innocent people.
The Violence Policy Center.
They don’t concern themselves with gang violence. Does that mean they condone it?
The numbers, killed by gunfire:
2007=65
2008=39
2009=23
half of 65=32+39+23=94. Of these they say 7 were killed by concealing carriers.
44 private citizens killed by concealing carriers. Probably close to 20,000 (a guess) killed by murderers.
I will try to find numbers
parsy, who is still suspicious
A couple of them were in cars, but essentially, the fact that the shooter had a concealed carry permit was completely irrelevant to the incident.
16,929 murders in 2007.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
I am probably low guessing 20,000 murders, probably closer to 32,000 during the two year period. Oh boy 44 by the concealing carriers. Well less than 1%. About .0012.
parsy, who says thanks for breakdown of this alleged study!
Also, without further explanation, the odd-seeming choice of the period over which the "study" was conducted, "May 2007 through April 2009," should lead anyone with any critical thinking skills whatsoever to question whether there was some "cherry picking" done in order to exaggerate the propaganda effects of their "study"...
This does not say how many of the 'private citizens' were burglars, or how many of the shootings were in self-defense.
Right, about 1/10th of 1 percent.
And most of those wouldn’t have been prevented by not having a permit.
Weigh that against the good done by permit holders. This consists not only of known lives saved, but of unknown lives saved and crimes prevented due to the fact criminals were less reluctant to commit their crimes, because they didn’t know who might or might not be armed.
Oh, absolutely. Good catch. Unblushing cherry-picking of statistics is a core part of what the VPC does.
From the NRO
During Obama’s tenure with the Joyce Foundation, donations to anti-gun groups increased dramatically. For example, in 1997 and 1998 the Violence Policy Center received $221,000 and $360,000 from the Foundation; those grants and donations increased to $1 million in 2000 and $800,000 in 2002. In all, during Obama’s tenure, the group received $15 million from the Joyce Foundation.
The Violence Policy Center, despite its name, never seems all that concerned with beatings, stabbings, immolations or explosions. No, they’re completely focused on gun violence, and they can effectively be called an anti-gun or pro-gun control organization.
Groups like this can take any sort of statistics and shape them to shape their agenda.
“shape them to shape their agenda”....Guess I need sleep.
How many innocent citizens were murdered by cops going in the wrong house or shooting someone who was unarmed?
Of those charged, how many were actually convicted?
The FBI report, brought out every two years, puts the number of citizens who successfully defend themselves with firarms to be in the 2 to 3 million range per year. I am not sure I believe this report anyway, not as it is written. I would bet some of the numbers are cooked, and even if they are not 7 cops and 40 some odd civilians(they don’t actually say if some of those civilians were committing crimes)in 2 years is nothing compared to the number of actual permit holders. Just another left wing org trying to smear CCW holders.
Ah, gothcha, I missed it.
I lisp when I type, who knew?
http://www.vpc.org/studies/ccw2009.pdf
Four of the incidents actually demonstrate the stupidity of their own ideas. V.P.C. thinks that white supremacists who kill cops will suddenly obey the law if there are no carry permits. Please. The only thing that would accomplish is a disarmed population of blacks for the Aryan Nation to murder on a whim.
Christina Korbe had a restraining order against her husband's sister. She says she didn't know her husband was dealing cocaine. She fired at an F.B.I. agent during a no knock raid. She says she did not know the man was an F.B.I. agent.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08326/929641-85.stm
She's not the only one on the list. Derrick Foster shot two police officers who conducted a no knock raid on a house where he was playing in an illegal crap game. He says he thought the game was being robbed.
James Wonder is a local man and I recall the case. The Customs agent was off duty and had his son in the car when he went afterr James Wonder. Wonder says he killed the guy in self defense, and witnesses agree with him. The actions of Agent Petit were extremely questionbable and unprofessional.
Six out of seven deaths, and seven out of eight incidents, were twisted by V.P.C. for their own use. I am not surprised.
Good follow up. Catch them and expose them in their manipulation of the facts.
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