Posted on 07/11/2009 8:16:27 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
Here is thoughtful interview with Victor Davis Hanson about Sarah Palin.
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I did not know Victors background, although I had read his work many times. He is a farmer. Very knowledgeable one though. (my family farms so I identify with it)
Who has the most influence with voters, Steele or Sarah Palin?
Rest my case.
Top-Down never works.
I disagree.
It's easier to build common sense conservative coalition from the party where most common sense conservatives now reside. It's easier to build a common sense conservative coalition from a party that has an existing apparatus and infer-structure.
A third party doesn't work if you don't have the majority of support from the voters and if you do have a majority of support from the voters, then you don't need a third party. I think to say otherwise, is an opinion based on inferiority; it's an opinion based on "we can't do it" and it's an opinion based the feeling that common sense conservatism can't be a selling point to the majority.
Why else would one want to give up an existing party apparatus, infrastructure and a place where common sense conservatives now reside and instead form a new party minus these benefits?
Ronald Reagan's philosophy was to take back the Republican party. Was Ronald Reagan a party partisan hack? Was Ronald Reagan in love with the letter "R" and the name "Republican"?
Of course not. Ronald Reagan believed in small government and liberty and he knew the best practical way of achieving that goal. I think Reagan's approach is the correct way to go.
I like Michael Steele, but truthfully, sometimes I wonder whether in some ways he’s not Joe Biden with a tan.
I haven’t given much thought to this possibility, but I have to say that I like it.
What are the chances she does this?
The “devaluing” of Sarah Palin as a possible LEGITIMATE Republican nominee for President (that is ALL we are talking about here)can, will and already has come from a multitude of sources that even the “out-of-the” MSM considers worthy of face time on their shows, just for openers, say, Gingrich, Romney, Peggy Noonan, etc. etc.
There are a whole lot of more traditional Pubbies who have been standing in line for many years for their turn either as nominees, or kingmakers. I do believe many of them take Sarah Palin, AT THIS POINT, as a pretender to the throne, useful mainly as jazzy window-dressing to bring larger and more enthusiastic crowds to more conservative candidates for the upcoming mid-terms.These are the same ninnies who still harbor the conceit that her presence is what sunk McCain’s candidacy, rather than boosted it. This is easily as delusional as anything you hear from the Left, like the recent Iranian post-election uprising coming as a result of the masses being inspired by Obama’s Egypt speech.
(Sarah will do the necessary work for other candidates as part of her re-orientation for her OWN political future) I fully expect the Establishment RINOS wouldn’t be too terribly sad about sacrificing her, and then dumping her unceremoniously once her job was done. This is EXACTLY what McCain did, and I think she knows and appreciates that, and would NEVER let it happen again. Once again, as far as the idea of ‘devaluing’ her goes, it’s gonna take a lot of personal re-orientation from the likes of the Republican mainstays (not to mention the still-large numbers of RINOs) before they accept Sarah Palin as a legitimate nominee. It is a very bitter pill for them to swallow, but they may very well have to. In their heart of hearts they know that the way it stands now, she outpolls ALL of them, and could handily beat all of them if an election were held this summer.
That’s all fine and well IF the GOP completely collapses (a la Massachusetts, where the GOP only exists on paper), but the Bull Moose “experiment” resulted in disaster for the GOP at the time and gave the Dems a majority in Congress, Governorships and the Presidency (not to mention getting us involved in WW1, which may ultimately have been unnecessary). Indeed, very few of them were even elected to office (as essentially disgruntled Republicans). The Bull Moosers were forced back into the GOP again in order to regain the latter’s majority status. The Republicans can regain a majority, but a large part of it has to do with a wholesale replacement of the leadership. Acting gutless will get us nowhere. But a 3rd party move for 2012 will be like a replay of 1912. Having two opposition parties to the Democrats only results in one logical conclusion, the reelection of the False Messiah by a massive E.C. vote.
Thank you!
“...Palin conservatives versus the Republican conservatives...”
We had that last fall.
I wouldn’t have voted for McCain had he not chosen Palin.
I received a call from the RNC soliciting funds.
I told them that the only reason I voted for the R ticket is because Sarah was on it.
Other than that, I would have written in my dog’s name before I would vote for McCain.
She said we need Republicans in office, and I told her not those of McCain’s ilk, who are RINOs.
I hardly believe that I’m the only one who voiced a negative opinion on last fall’s ticket, and refused to give them funds.
Don’t you think it’s possible that they have figured out the Rockefeller Republicans don’t attract fly-over country conservatives, and that is why Sarah is being welcomed into the fold?
BTW, I don’t know what Sarah is thinking beyond helping conservatives win in 2010.
But, if that is all that she does, she’s a hero in my book.
That being said, I think she has much higher ambitions and I will support her 100%.
Me, too, BooBoo.
Me, too...
What party apparatus??
The McCain "apparatus" that has been attacking Palin since the election? The Massachusetts Romney "apparatus" that has been doing the same thing?
The Huckabee crowd that would open the borders and subsidize illegals? It won't be 3 parties... The RepubliCAINS will fade away.. many assimilated into the DemocRAT party which is mainly where they reside anyway. The Whigs faded away... so will the GOP
I used the term BULL MOOSE only because of Palin and who she is.... the left has been mocking her can do outdoors persona... hunter, fisherman etc. Can't you people think abstractly? Get out of the box ... just once! The RepubliCAINS WILL fade away.. They CANNOT win...many rinos will be assimilated into the DemocRAT party which is mainly where they reside anyway. The Whigs faded away... so will the GOP .The PALIN PARTY... CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT... IS GOING TO FILL THAT VOID. The GOP is KAPUT... you can't fix it... better to put it out of its misery.
What party apparatus?? The McCain "apparatus" that has been attacking Palin since the election? The Massachusetts Romney "apparatus" that has been doing the same thing?
You're confusing candidate operatives working for Mitt and Huck with party apparatus, party infrastructure and the millions of conservative grassroots members that make up the existing party independent of those two hucksters.
Are you actually going to let Mitt's and Huck's backstabbing little operatives chase you away into irrelevancy?
I'm not.
And I believe Sarah Palin will stay and fight and transform the party.
Sorry you won't be part of it.
Bye.
You’re preaching to the choir in a lot of your points, but I’m telling you that if you think a 3rd party is going to work, it won’t. We’re not like other countries, we favor two parties here. We can start a Palinist party, but it will only help the Democrats with the 3rd party and the GOP (which will not just “go away”, especially in areas where it still remains strong or the majority, including my state, which voted in ‘08 much like the rest of the country did in ‘72 — the False Messiah was as popular as AIDS here) splitting the vote. You’d have to have an absolute meltdown like we did in Congress in the mid ‘30s to precipitate such a move, and even that didn’t happen at the time, as the GOP rebounded. It’s better we kick out the corrosive liberal interests in the party and reinvigorate and revitalize it with Conservative reformists.
Besides, even if we created a new party tomorrow and the GOP “went kaput”, you’d still have the bulk of those Republicans coming over and you’d have a new party name with all the same problems. We just need to be eternally vigilant with party cleanup and sack the gutless and the ineffective (and the liberal collaborators). Do that, and there’s no need to start a new party.
Romney wants the nomination for 2012 so bad he can taste it. He lost the nomination in 2008 to MCCAIN!! Who controls the GOP? The so called APPARATUS you talk about is entrenched... What have they been trying to do to Sarah Palin since the landslide loss to a socialist community organizer hmmmm? They don't want her politics... They're terrified of her ideals and will do anything to stop her. They can't stop her if she is a TRUE MAVERICK... to use that pathetic McCain term.
The McCain crowd has more in common with the socialist RAT party. I have been a staunch Republican since Ronald Reagan... I have not been fond of any of the Bushes... I held my nose and voted GOP... DONATED GOP.... Never EVER again and believe me... I'm not alone.
1994 WAS our chance ... then the GOP, George Bush and John McCain/( Feingold<--- for effect) spent us right into a Marxist dismantling of our constitution by getting blown away. The GOP is not a minority party... it has become an insignificant blip in the U.S. Capital building and shrinking farther and.... farther. Why even Al Franken won... spender RINO Norm Coleman was swatted like a fly in Minnesota... They're mentioning Pawlenty or Crist as potential candidates!!
Sorry, I'm not a lemming running to the cliff and Sarah Palin is the only bright light in sight... The RepublCAINS will desperately try to "Blow Her Fuse"
I guess you just didn’t read.
I feel the same way regarding you, Bob. I’m sorry you don’t “get it.”
Cute the way you conveniently "omitted" the McCain apparatus...
Bob, McCain lost. He's not running again. I'm sure his operatives have moved on to somebody who is going to pay them in the future, either Mitt or Huck.
As I said:
You're confusing candidate operatives working for Mitt and Huck with party apparatus, party infrastructure and the millions of conservative grassroots members that make up the existing party independent of those two hucksters.
Sorry, I'm not a lemming running to the cliff and Sarah Palin is the only bright light in sight...
As I said...
I believe Sarah Palin will stay and fight and transform the party. Sorry you won't be part of it.
LOL just in the news.. Sarah Palin will campaign for Democrats whom she agrees with politically. Sarah obviously has had it with the RepubliCAIN Party... She will never be the GOP candidate for president and.... it will be her choice.
(snip) The former Republican vice presidential nominee said she plans to write a book, campaign for political candidates from coast to coast — even Democrats who share her views on limited government, national defense and energy independence — and build a right-of-center coalition. "I will go around the country on behalf of candidates who believe in the right things, regardless of their party label or affiliation,"
I just love being right.
What exactly was wrong about what I said to you, Bob ? She’s going to have a difficult time finding elected Democrats that share her views. It still changes not a thing that I said about starting a 3rd party... it helps the liberal Democrats. Why are you so arrogantly opposed to cleaning up the GOP of the RINO trash ?
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