Farewell to Donna (Rudolph Giuliani 2002)

Wayne Barrett

[jla]

fyi

[jla]

A truly sad reflection on the current state of the Grand Ol' Party when many of the rank and file membership would willingly support a mountebank such as Rudolph Giulini to lead their Party, and this nation.

Thomas Jefferson and Ronald Reagan wept

[wideawake]

I certainly don't think Giuliani deserves a shot at the GOP nomination - he is an out-and-out social liberal and that will never change.

However, a Village Voice hit piece is not a believable analysis on FR.

[flashbunny]

BUT HE CAN WIN!!!!

YOU'RE JUST AN UNAPPEASABLE RUDY HATER!!!

Remember back during the harriet miers backlash when everyone who refused to accept that Aunt Harriet was a strict constructionist and would make a good supreme court justice? The fanclub was lashing out HARD those days.

But we held out - refusing to settle for a person just because they could get through the senate. In the end, we got a much better justice in Alito.

The rudy fan club should get the message -hold out for something better instead of settling for someone on the qualification that "they can win!"

[wideawake]

I'll point out that the author of the piece was himself a witness for Giuliani's ex-wife and against Giuliani in a divorce proceeding.

That's hardly impartial journalism.

[TommyDale]

"BUT HE CAN WIN!!!!

YOU'RE JUST AN UNAPPEASABLE RUDY HATER!!!

LOL! Heaven forbid if we should mention his social liberalism, and his previous endorsements of DEMOCRATS in New York elections, turning his back on the GOP. I think it's payback time.

[Jalapeno]

don't confuse me with facts.

[dirtboy]

I don't think posting a Village Voice work of fiction is what we want on FR.

There are enough factual concerns about Rudy without resorting to this.

[flashbunny]

But this is what will come out via the mainstream media AFTER rudy or a rino wins the republican primary.

The liberal media wants a rino to win the primary so they can rip into them once they're running against a democrat.

[The Lumster]

I don't think posting a Village Voice work of fiction is what we want on FR

Perhaps you'd like to point out the fictional portions of this piece. The public flaunting of his mistress while he was still married to Hanover is certainly not fiction. Neither is giving his main squeeze a patronage job handling money for the 9-11 widows and orphans.

Biased it may be but that doesn't mean it lacks a basis in fact

[dirtboy]

Oh, I agree Rudy would present a target-rich environment if he were to get the nomination, and I imagine the Dems would hold their fire until he were the nominee - to date, the Dems have fired ten negative press releases at Romney as opposed to one for Rudy.

However, we also, IMO, should discuss Rudy from a conservative point of view on FR. That approach should be enough to convince people he's not the right guy for the nomination.

[dirtboy]

Perhaps you'd like to point out the fictional portions of this piece.

It's written as if it were a memo from Rudy. That makes if fiction, even if some or all of the facts are accurate.

I just don't think we should accomodate a liberal attack on Rudy. There is plenty to discuss about Rudy from a conservative point of view.

[AmishDude]

Don't shed one tear for Donna Hanover. Not one tear. Rudy has very serious character issues, but he comes of as a saint when compared to her.

[flashbunny]

he does get discussed from a conservative view. Spiff has a nice little chart of rudy's views, hillary's views, and GOP part platform views. But when he posts useful information, the cult of rudy claims he's "spamming".

They have their fingers in their ears and don't want to hear anything except how great rudy is and how he can win in 2008.

[dirtboy]

And they'll turn around and bash this post as being from the Village Voice. No need to go there.

[wideawake]

The public flaunting of his mistress while he was still married to Hanover is certainly not fiction.

He and his wife were no longer living together in the same household when he met Judith Nathan. Their marriage had been over for years in practical terms at that point - a well known fact in NYC. Not that Donna Hanover had any problem with openly dating Giuliani while he was still married to Regina Peruggi.

Neither is giving his main squeeze a patronage job handling money for the 9-11 widows and orphans.

She is a member of the charity's board - an honorary, uncompensated position. She was a corporate executive at Bristol Myers and had already served on the board of a number of other charitable foundations.

[wideawake]

Do you honestly consider the Village Voice to be an impartial, unimpeachable source?

[jla]

You may point out whatever you wish. I will point out that Rudolph Giuliani is a fake, who covets the prestige and power of the Oval Office. Unlike Thomas J and Ronald R, who ran and served only because they were compelled to by their unabashed love for this great nation.

Yourself and others may settle for less, and even a fraudulent less at that. I won't.

[wideawake]

Unlike Thomas J and Ronald R, who ran and served only because they were compelled to by their unabashed love for this great nation.

Thomas Jefferson and Ronald Reagan were men of great ambition who enjoyed the power they wielded.

Let's not pretend.

Rudolph Giuliani also loves this great nation, just as Jefferson and Reagan did.

Saying that Rudolph Giuliani is not an American patriot is an ugly lie.

Calling him a fake is a lie as well.

Rudolph Giuliani is a Rockefeller Republican, tough on law and order, financially relatively conservative, but a complete social liberal.

He does not deserve to be President and I will not vote for him. Why?

Two reasons.

(1) I find it hard to personally respect a man who cheats on his spouse. If your own wife cannot trust you, I cannot trust you either.

(2) The most important thing is a basic respect for the inalienable right to life. Giuliani lacks that basic respect.

There is no need to make up stuff about the man, or call him a fake or an America-hater.

The truth is enough: he has demonstrated character flaws that show he is not worthy of the Presidency.

I don't really care if the Village Voice hates him, because the Village Voice only hates people for the wrong reasons.