MOST AMERICANS SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO CELEBRATE THE FOURTH

No, you are missing my point. No matter how fallen you think we are, we are still the best country in the world.

I would rather light a candle than curse the darkness.

Keep on shouting that the sky is falling.... without rest, without ever changing tempo, year after year... You aren't new, there have always been naysayers who said the good ole days were over and the country was on the path to distruction.... I could have become ashamed and worried and miserable long ago if I thought it would help.

My life is too dang short.

21 posted on 07/04/2003 2:36:57 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Not all those who wander are lost)

To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Unfortunately this attitude has wormed its way into some chuches as well.

Wouldn't want to hear a "divisive" or even "hateful and intolerant" sermon about moral absolutes, repentance and the requirements for salvation. Let's just sing, dance, and fellowship together. It feels so much better.

22 posted on 07/04/2003 2:38:24 PM PDT by missileboy (Principio Obstate - Resist from the Beginning)

Heh...

Might explain why They Livc is one of my favorite movies.

Off topic, I found out about this thread in a post at the Democratic Underground forums.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID70/3584.html

Interesting...

23 posted on 07/04/2003 2:39:45 PM PDT by glocksman

To: HairOfTheDog

"No matter how fallen you think we are, we are still the best country in the world."

This relativistic view is no way to measure freedom, and absolute concepts such as truth.

Political battered wife syndrome - "My other husband used to beat and rape me 4 nights a week. This one only does it monthly. He is still the most loving man in this world."

24 posted on 07/04/2003 2:42:38 PM PDT by missileboy (Principio Obstate - Resist from the Beginning)

You are 100% correct. This attitude has wormed it's way into every aspect of our lives.

Becky

25 posted on 07/04/2003 2:42:43 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

To: HairOfTheDog

Ever hear the saying that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance?

This is the best country in the world. However,we do have faults and there is room for improvement, and the trend right now is towards greater restrictions on freedoms, not less.

Lighting a candle means being aware of the faults and working to improve them.

You aren't lighting a candle by accepting things such as the PATRIOT act, you're welcoming the darkness.

26 posted on 07/04/2003 2:45:39 PM PDT by glocksman

27 posted on 07/04/2003 2:45:59 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Not all those who wander are lost)

Interesting indeed! I am not familiar with that site.

Good to know that freerepublic is not the end all be all for political thought on the net - wouldn't that be scary!

I did not understand that second post until now.....

28 posted on 07/04/2003 2:51:04 PM PDT by missileboy (Principio Obstate - Resist from the Beginning)

To: HairOfTheDog

29 posted on 07/04/2003 3:00:47 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Hello Becky! I was hoping you would say Hello. I hope you are having a nice day.

30 posted on 07/04/2003 3:08:28 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Not all those who wander are lost)

To: HairOfTheDog

31 posted on 07/04/2003 3:09:48 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

It is an interesting site.

As a union member and gun owner, I'm 'liberal' on some issues and 'conservative' on others. That's why I read sites such as DU and FR and try to participate.

However,

I apparently wasn't 'progressive' enough on the gun issue as I was banned after making 62 posts. The site admin won't tell me why, but I suspect it was because of a thread in the Justice/Public Safety forum (I was in the middle of posting a reply to a post in the thread when I was banned) I started about a gun distributor that was sued wanting the plaintiff to pay their defense costs.

Story about the suit:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/auto/epaper/editions/tuesday/local_news_e3ee4826949212a90012.html

I would refer you to the thread, but they've deleted it.

In the thread, I enthusiastically supported Valor's attempt to make her pay their expenses in defending themselves from a suit that is baseless.

I didn't violate any of the forum rules against personal attacks on other members, so I can only conclude that an admin or a moderator didn't like what I said about the Widow Grunow being greedy and money grubbing in filing the suit.

The ironic thing about the whole episode is that a lot of posters in that forum complain about FR censoring posts and deleting topics.

Pot, Kettle, Black?

But I still like to go their and read. Some of the posters are pretty well versed and make good arguments that I can learn from.

Others (such as the Che worshipping crowd) are good for a few laughs.

32 posted on 07/04/2003 7:50:04 PM PDT by glocksman

oh, i don't think any of us will mind.

33 posted on 07/04/2003 11:41:55 PM PDT by SuperVillain (all racists who are prepared to die for their country, please do so now)

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