Fox talk show host calls for disbarment of Westerfield lawyers('Cause He was Really Guilty)

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[Illbay]

And YOU talk to the Admin Moderator about "slander"?

[rambo316]

For that matter, when that Mexican, who murdered and sexually abused that other little girl, goes on trial and is given life in prison, do you think that O'Reilly is going to go on air and talk about what an in justice that would be? I hope that he will. As I tell my wife, I bet that will happen. The jury might even let the Mexican off totally because his lawyers will say that he was a victim.

[Illbay]

So you're saying that he didn't really know that there was a body that Westerfield could locate for them?

I have a really hard time believing that.

[Illbay]

So by your logic the murder of Samantha Runnion by Avila was a tribute to justice, because Avila's attorney got him off on the child molestation charge less than a year earlier.

After all, the defense attorney had the better argument, so all's well that end's well--even if that end is a child brutally assaulted and murdered, her body left for the buzzards.

What a bizarre way of thinking. No wonder so many people today believe there is no justice.

[Illbay]

So Feldman's saying that after the first three days of this torment, Westerfield was okay with it? Sorry, you're going to have to try again.

That explanation stinks.

[joyful1]

There is no such ethical rule. You and O'Reilly are inventing this idea.

Good. Then invent the rule. The truth must rule our legal system, not lawyer schemes.

[Illbay]

Your last several arguments are the best example of "Clintonspeak" that I have seen on this thread.

[Cold Heat]

I have been following this tiff started by a little newspaper and picked up by O'reilly as a rant. I find it amusing!

First of all, the fact that a plea bargain was offered by the procecuters was reported at the time but was buried by the finding of the body. (I'll be damned if I can find a article about it) I believe it was more in the form of a rumor but this type of plea bargain is normal and not at all unusual. The defense, by law, must present the plea bargain to the defendant who can accept or deny it. This is exactly what they did. They did not have time to do a formal denial because the body was found and the bargain was moot. This is point number one................

Secondly, lawyers do not and never have been required to believe a client is innocent in order to defend them. There are dozens of precedents for this and many supreme court decisions affirming the rights of even guilty defendents to obtain counsel and a advocate lawyer.

This whole arguement is a non-event, a bogus emotional bunch of tripe that has absolutely no chance of going anywhere.

I posted this to you because you seem to be upset by the lawyers advocacy of his client. There are others who feel the same way and I did not single you out for any particular reason. I simply know that you are all wrong.

[Illbay]

Secondly, lawyers do not and never have been required to believe a client is innocent in order to defend them.

There is a VAST difference between not knowing the guilt or innocence of your client, and knowing that he has a body to deliver up as a bargaining chip.

Those who can't see that are hopeless.

[Cold Heat]

There is a VAST difference between not knowing the guilt or innocence of your client, and knowing that he has a body to deliver up as a bargaining chip.

A matter of perspective. This plea bargain, as all plea bargains, originated from the procecution, not the defense! There is no way the defense would have advocated it! The slant on this story is ludicrous.

Secondly, it would be far more likely that a lawyer would face disbarment for not providing a defense for a client and not the other way around.

This is what O'reilly and yourself do not see.

[rintense]

Whether the jury bought his arguments is irrelevant. The lawyers STILL violated the standards code. Winning and losing has nothing to do with it. But just imagine if they DID win. A confessed child killer would be walking the streets.

[Cold Heat]

A confessed child killer would be walking the streets.

Where is the confession?

[Cold Heat]

What we have here is a newspaper article stating information from un-named sources that there was a plea bargain being discussed. (a normal procecutorial function)

There was no confession because with the absence of a body, the defense had the upper hand. There would be no way in hell that the defense would have advocated this rumored plea. It came from the procecutors to facilitate the finding of the body.(evidence)

This whole thing is the most ridiculous BS I have heard this year.

I am sure something else will top it soon though.

O'reilly continues to amuse me with his rants.

[7thson]

You cannot knowlingly lie to get your client off! O'Rielly had the OJ lawyer who walked from the trial, on his show last night. This lawyer discovered and knew that OJ was guilty of murder and decided to walk. Standup guy. To say that defense attorneys can knowingly lie and fool the jury and the judge, is to give a free pass to any witness to do the same. These lawyers and their type have made a mockery of the justice system and have also undermined our justice system, not Bill O'Reilly. You are dead wrong!

[HamiltonJay]

Absolutely, there is a huge difference between forcing the government to prove its case, and lying to the court. These guys lied to the court, that is not acceptable.

Had they said other people had access to the home... that is not a lie. But to say other people had access to the home and they likely or could have done it.. that is a patentedly lie by this attorney. You cannot suggest alternate theories you know to be false... once you know your client is guilty your only defense can be to force the government to prove theirs.. you no longer can present "alternate possibilities" you know to be false.

[Freedom2specul8]

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[Jaded]

Gloria Alread defended the Menendez brothers more than once, knowing they were guilty.

[rintense]

He confessed to his lawyers, which is why they were in the process of of a plea bargain- whereabouts of the body in exchange for no death penalty.

[Dante3]

I totally agree with you. I don't understand the extensive criticism he receives. Some of it has been because he apparently is pro-life. Some of it seems like just plain prejudice.

O'Reilly is the only one on TV I've seen take on Rev. Jesse J. As a Catholic, he has spoken out against pedophile priests. He has shown outrage at the horrible murder of little Danielle and how Feldman lied to try to get this dangerous pervert off.

I don't agree 100% with him -- there is no one I agee 100% with and that includes my husband. Of course, O'Reilly is effective and a number of those positing here are on the weird left. A while back a Chris something went ballistic every time someone even implied anything negative about Chelsea. Then there were those raving how wonderful strippers are.

[Texas Yellow Rose]

	He confessed to his lawyers, which is why they were in the process of of a plea bargain- whereabouts of the body in exchange for no death penalty.
Where does it say that? "His charges stem from a report in the San Diego Union-Tribune. Citing anonymous law enforcement sources, the paper reported that the lawyers (Which lawyers? Who initiated this deal?  How do we know they were "ABOUT TO INK THE DEAL"?) tried to broker a deal last February in which Westerfield would reveal the location of Danielle's body in exchange for a guarantee that he would not face the death penalty. He would plead guilty and receive life without parole. Both sides were about to ink the deal, according to the paper, when volunteer searchers found Danielle's body."
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