Posted on 08/07/2002 7:08:12 PM PDT by FresnoDA
Actually the purpose of the analogy is to prove the dealer is cheating. Those who believe the DW is innocent would rightly point out that each hand that the dealer won is completely plausible while ignoring that its not possible for that dealer to win ever hand without cheating.
I happen to think that it is the thinking process used by those who think Westerfield is innocent. Instead of looking at the totality of the evidence, it is looked at one by one and the innocent explanation is rationalized away. Its a perfectly reasonable method but erroneous and not the one the jury has been directed to use.
1. I think he made a quick in & out snatch, after the Van Dam's were asleep for the night.
and left absolutely no trace evidence, circumstantial or otherwise
That's right.
2. I think he suffocated Danielle with a pillow.
where is the pillow? the pillow would have evidence of such a means of death all over it. Also, where are the telltale signs of suffocation?
The pillow, inside a garbage bag,along with other incriminating articles, could have been easily tossed into any roadside dumpster.
The following is a published quote:
"..In other developments, a forensic dentist testified that Danielle van Dam's missing teeth were not carried off by animals and probably weren't knocked loose by a sharp blow, bolstering the prosecution's claim that she had been forcefully suffocated. Dr. Norman "Skip" Sperber said the 7-year-old's four missing teeth could have been knocked loose by an impact with a "soft" object, but testified there were no signs they were hit by a hard, steel-like object or were carried off by predators."
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As to your query why there were no tell tale signs of suffocation, I'm figuring if the body had mummified so badly that first reports identified it as charred or burned, soft tissue damage would have been hard to detect.
3. I think he killed her, after he got unstuck from the sand. (I believe the tow guy who thought he heard a voice inside the rv.)
proceed to #4...
4. I think Danielle died in the rv, but she may have been near death when she was taken there.
yet the cadaver dog failed to "hit" in the MH and absolutely no evidence of a murder scene
That's right, the strong smell of bleach prevented accurate hits by the dog(s).
5. I think he dumped the body on the last leg of his week-end roadtrip.
and his bloated self carried her dead body up a very steep incline with no witnesses...
That's right.
The following is a published quote:
"..Danielle's body was found Wednesday in a remote spot 25 miles east of San Diego. It was discovered about 25 to 30 feet from a two-lane road near a lake by a search group that has been working with the family since Danielle disappeared from her suburban San Diego home."
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/28/missing.girl/?related
If searchers could find it,(only 30 feet), someone could place it there.
6. I think there's no evidence of him in the VD house, because it was a quick entry/exit, and because he's too smart to have left fingerprints
but too stupid to get the dna off of his coat and out of his MH....OH PUHLEEEEEEZE!!!
We don't know what he wore when he snatched her, and those clothes went the way of the pillow. I think he would havehe had her wrapped and covered [probably with sheets and/or tarp], as he transported her from vehicle to vehicle, to final dumping site. The same he laid her out on when she was on his bed and in the motor home.
7. I think there's no more evidence of Danielle being in the rv because Westerfield got rid of it, along with the body on his way back home. And everything else, he laundered.
and cleaned and bleached everything soooo well that there was a layer of dust on everything in the motorhome and all no bleach marks on anything!
I found several references to the strong smell of bleach,I heard for myself how immaculately clean the rv was, but couldn't find a reference that mentioned "a layer of dust". Of course with those winds blowing, windows open, and all that driving, I think it easily explained.
Picking your first assumption (I didn't know that the state killed people on assumptions) apart. So this drunk middle aged man who has had a bit too much to drink goes home and starts to think of raping and killing a little girl and he waits up till after 3AM to do his dirty deed? LOL.....no way, being a middle aged man who ocassionally has a bit too much to drink, I can tell you that once he gets home he goes to bed and sleeps till dawn.
I don't see BVD as a cash type of person. The way kids that age grow she would have purchased them within the previous six months or so by using a credit card. I wonder if the police are interested enough to seek out credit card statements or store records after DW is found not guilty?
Sorry to dissapoint you YaYa but there was no smell of bleach in the motor home. There was also no evidence that the motorhome was wiped down with Pledge or any other cleaning agent.
You need to read up on the process of decomposition. a body in the later stages of putrification will normally turn black....
That's right, the strong smell of bleach prevented accurate hits by the dog(s).
That was a misquote by the press..... there was no strong smell of bleach in the MH
In other developments, a forensic dentist testified that Danielle van Dam's missing teeth were not carried off by animals and probably weren't knocked loose by a sharp blow, bolstering the prosecution's claim that she had been forcefully suffocated. Dr. Norman "Skip" Sperber said
all these teeth being softly knocked lose and yet only 2 blood spots? have you ever had teeth extracted? have your children ever lost teeth? they lose more than 2 spots....
The pillow, inside a garbage bag,along with other incriminating articles, could have been easily tossed into any roadside dumpster.
and what of the other telltale signs? petechiae, hemorrhage in the lungs, congestion? all evident even in advanced stages of decomposition
If searchers could find it,(only 30 feet), someone could place it there
yes, two young guys not hindered by a dead, mummified, decomposing, bug infested body found it - But how come no one found the body DURING THE FIRST SEARCH OF THE SITE???
I think he would havehe had her wrapped and covered [probably with sheets and/or tarp], as he transported her from vehicle to vehicle, to final dumping site. The same he laid her out on when she was on his bed and in the motor home.
if she was wrapped in a tarp, how did all the bright/dull orange fibers get all over everything? okay, why don't you try wrapping a 7 year old in a tarp and come back and tell me how you transported her out of the house ond from vehicle to vehicle WITHOUT her carrying on something fierce?
I found several references to the strong smell of bleach,
via the media?I heard for myself how immaculately clean the rv was, where?but couldn't find a reference that mentioned "a layer of dust". Of course with those winds blowing, windows openand blinds closed? windows open with a screaming, dying 7 year old in ther? I think not, and all that driving, I think it easily explained
search the TRIAl transcripts a little harder - not just the treads and CTV articles
"...Investigators say DNA evidence links Westerfield to van Dam's kidnapping and slaying: her blood was found on an article of Westerfield's clothing and in his motor home.Police also searched Westerfield's home multiple times, impounded his Toyota sport utility vehicle and motor home, and had him provide a DNA sample for analysis.
Investigators who searched the mobile home said the smell of bleach was overwhelming..."
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/missinggirl020228.html
But you see, I don't think Westerfield got home, went to bed, and slept to dawn. I think he left the bar, went back to his neighborhood to wait outside, watching the van Dam house. And according to his former girlfriend, Westerfield has a history of that behavior. She was caught in a misstatement about how she found him waiting outside her home, for her to get home from a date, after they had broken up. She also testified as to why she broke up with Westerfield. She said he's a mean drunk...not a sleepy one.
YaYa, thereis lies our problem. You are relying on the media while I have been relying on evidence presented to the jury. Maybe when we get on the same page we may have something to discuss. *s*
PS Danielle's constant wearing of this choker thing reminds me of the girl in Florida who was killed in 1989 who always wore a necklace like that that seems to cut her head off from the body, or like saying "choke me along this line."
Ok Dave, give me links to the evidence you quote as being "presented to the jury." I'd like to read it myself. I'm open to "getting on the same page" with you. But before that can happen, I need to evaluate your sources, as you have evaluated mine.
YaYa, well you might want to go to http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/danielle/ and cruise through the transcripts of the trial. You will find that a lot of what was reported was myth, and a lot of the 'facts' are in fact fiction; at least from a juror's point of view.
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