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Prosecutor: Westerfield Guilty 'Beyond Possible Doubt'(Many Still Find Van Dam's Culpable)
Court TV ^ | August 7, 2002 | Harriet Ryan

Posted on 08/06/2002 8:53:49 PM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: spectre
"I'll bet he is boring his own Mother.."

And she's thinking about all that money totally wasted
on his education.

761 posted on 08/07/2002 4:30:12 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: VRWC_minion
As I said,both lawyers are covering all bases.
762 posted on 08/07/2002 4:30:48 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: the Deejay
When he said, "this was a 'business' trip) I cracked up!!

I missed that comment. Had a phone call. What was it about?

763 posted on 08/07/2002 4:31:23 PM PDT by nycgal
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To: VRWC_minion; All
Yes..he probably still lives with his Momma..what a loser!

Now, we have an afternoon break.

Judge Mudd STILL refuses to Sequester the Jury, even tho they have sent him NOTES saying they are under pressure...

Mudd, IF YOU ARE READING THIS...YOU ARE A JERK!

sw

764 posted on 08/07/2002 4:32:32 PM PDT by spectre
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To: nycgal
He implied this wasn't a 'vacation' trip that weekend, it was a "business trip", to dump the body.
765 posted on 08/07/2002 4:33:00 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: spectre
"Mudd, IF YOU ARE READING THIS...YOU ARE A JERK!"

I'll second that.

766 posted on 08/07/2002 4:34:08 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: the Deejay
He implied this wasn't a 'vacation' trip that weekend, it was a "business trip", to dump the body.

What a jerk!

767 posted on 08/07/2002 4:34:32 PM PDT by nycgal
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To: nycgal
"What a jerk!"

Yep.


768 posted on 08/07/2002 4:35:27 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: the Deejay
Now the Court TV bimbos are bashing Feldman. Geesh.
769 posted on 08/07/2002 4:36:13 PM PDT by Unknown Freeper
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To: spectre
Dusek is putting the Jurors into a COMA

Are the flies landing yet? ;D
770 posted on 08/07/2002 4:37:46 PM PDT by NatureGirl
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To: All
OVERALL IMPRESSION of CLOSING ARGUMENTS, so far:

Here are mine.

Feldman- LOUD, ANGRY, AGGRESSIVE, concerned for his client. Feels like his client is truly NOT GUILTY and that the JUDGE, THE DA, The PROSECUTOR, The LE's , the Prosecution Witnesses, the Van Dam's have lied, are trying to railroad his client.

Dusek- like a young actor in Hollywood. Trying to put on a big show, but really just reading the script. Yells, bangs the table, in effort to be dramatic, but it all comes off as FAKEY!

Can tell he doesn't really believe in what he's doing, but it is his job, so he does his best.

771 posted on 08/07/2002 4:39:17 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Unknown Freeper
They are "bashing Feldman" because he made excellent points and gave a brilliant presentation. He made Dusek look like the the jerk he is.
772 posted on 08/07/2002 4:39:46 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: VRWC_minion
I forgot, the DW didn't do it crew has no sense of humor.

Also slow on the uptake.

One time FresnoDA asked the moderator to ban him, then he came back with an alias and the only people to "get it" were we in the "DW is probably guilty" camp. Go figure.

773 posted on 08/07/2002 4:40:04 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: spectre
From the past

I understand the arguments against Westerfields guilt probably as well as anyone. I just have come to a conclusion different than you.

At this time, I would expect that the jury will be divided and the fact that the pros. didn't get a more definitive argument against the bug guys it will leave the ability for some Juror's to hold out against a guilty verdict. My best guess is that at this time there will be a hung jury. If, so I believe the pros will be better prepared to put the bugs on trail at a later date or a deal would be made (still possible). Keep in mind that it was Feldman who hasten process as an advantage to his client which in retrospect has worked well.

The things that would change the status is 1. The jury instructions on how to weigh the meaning of "reasonable doubt" and 2. The ability of Dusek to weave together the evidence into an air tight scenario backed by the evidence and testimony.

I also predict that in the event he is found guilty by the jurors the folks who feel Westerfield is innocent will claim that the jurors were deceived (or possibly intimidated) by a corrupt judge and a corrupt prosecutor and that Westerfield never had a chance to a fair trial.

I predict that those who think Westerfileld is guily will blame it mostly on bad science and the speed that the trial took place and make references to the OJ trial. .

113 posted on 8/2/02 3:44 PM Eastern by VRWC_minion
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774 posted on 08/07/2002 4:40:13 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: UCANSEE2
I agree with your impression of closing arguments. Very accurate.
775 posted on 08/07/2002 4:41:18 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: spectre
I hope Mudd's not reading this, but I suspect Dusek is. I think Mudd was wrong for taking that intra-trial vacation while the defendand is in jail. That alone speaks to the judge's mindset as to innocent until proven guilty. How could he do that unless he thought the defendant was guilty and thus no harm to an innocent?

I don't think the Juries should be sequestered, generally. In a very high profile case like this maybe -- I'd allow that the Judge, Judge Mudd, made a solid judgement of the juries maturity. Their bios are decent enough.

However in this particular case I do think that the Jury should have been sequestered once the presentations were finished, and before the closing arguments.

776 posted on 08/07/2002 4:41:20 PM PDT by bvw
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To: cyncooper
One time FresnoDA asked the moderator to ban him, then he came back with an alias and the only people to "get it" were we in the "DW is probably guilty" camp.

heh heh. You really believe that? You are misguided.

But I'll bet it's nice to feel so "self-important". ;-)
777 posted on 08/07/2002 4:42:37 PM PDT by NatureGirl
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To: cyncooper
Biz as usual I see.
778 posted on 08/07/2002 4:43:19 PM PDT by Jaded
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To: VRWC_minion
Self-love. Is is sex safe?
779 posted on 08/07/2002 4:43:27 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Jaded
It was nice while it lasted..... :)
780 posted on 08/07/2002 4:44:00 PM PDT by CAPPSMADNESS
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