Van Dam Case Witness Challenges Findings Of Defense 'Bug Expert': But...His Testimony Don't Add Up..

Union Tribune ^ | July 31, 2002 | Jeff Dillion

[UCANSEE2]

Except that wouldn't be the source because too many of the fibers were in his stuff to account for the fibers to come from her. It must be something he had in his house.

And this is where everyone keeps running in circles.

(1) Many of these 'orange fibers at DW's, but no source found

(2)1 fiber on Danielle that COULD be a perfect match.

(3)Danielle had been in DW's house, and COULD have gotten the fiber in her hair then.

(4)Orange fibers on the MH (right?) Would be coming from DW carrying them from house to MH.

(5) Orange Fibers found around Danielle's body (were there, how many?)

(6) Blue/Grey Fibers ... this is where you can take over.

Cyn, I am trying to list what are central elements being used in the case about the fibers, and for some of them list the obviuos reasons they could have gotten/been there. Others I am leaving for everyone to work on. Maybe if we can put all the numbers/colors/types of fibers and where found together in one list, we all might have a clearer picture.

[clearvision]

It seems knowing whether the hair had roots or not might help determine if it was from a struggle or gathered overtime.

[the Deejay]

It's way beyond me, when the judge in the prelim rendered his decision by saying, "I believe Mr. Westerfield is guilty." I've never heard a judge in after a prelim use that type of statement & it had to have highly influenced the community.

I was just so appalled as to how he came to that decision and make such a bold statement to continue DW to trial.

[John Jamieson]

Look at the pictures of Samantha and see if you can tell the difference, I sure can.

And, it's not Danielle's problem, it's her biological material donors, the same ones that left all three children home alone on 2/1.

[spectre]

When Westerfield told the LE that "this would be a good place to hide a body", he was no different than every other person who was speculating where she might be. NO DIFFERENT...Most everyone on FR and other forums were offering their opinions where her body might be.

Then, we have the hose being left out...Then we have him being overly cooperative....Then we have him sweating too much.

As you said, UCS..they were looking to hang this on him. All these little tidbits in and of themselves shouldn't have amounted to a hill of beans.

Oh, and how can I ever forget Nancy Grace of CTV, saying that Westerfield DARED to laugh at something funny when the whole court erupted in laughter. "How dare He"! she said. Course, the next day, she goes on to talk about how the guy is way too stoic and shows no emotions, an ice cold murderer. He can't win for losing with her!

End of rant.

sw

[UCANSEE2]

This sounds like it was a huge wad of hair and I don't believe she was walking around with a huge clump of hair like that.

You refer to a huge wad of hair. My understanding was that is was something like 1 or 2 hairs and the fiber jammed into a crevice of the choker. Maybe the transcript would help clarify. I don't remember it being a HUGE wad of hair, by any means.

ANYONE ELSE remember or want to post the testimony?

[clearvision]

I still have not found counts (if any) of orange fibers in motorhome in the testimony I have looked thru. There were also orange fibers in SUV.

[cyncooper]

To: John Jamieson

John, off topic, but do you know if sur-rebuttal is in answer to the DA's rebuttal? If so, can't Feldman bring in his own fiber expert on sur-rebuttal?

397 posted on 7/31/02 4:25 PM Pacific by Jrabbit [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 389 | View Replies | Report Abuse

Post #397. You didn't say "IMO".

The first part above is #397 which is your own post. To what post of mine are you referring?

[John Jamieson]

I don't believe Mudd said that. Where did the quote come from?

[UCANSEE2]

It seems knowing whether the hair had roots or not might help determine if it was from a struggle or gathered overtime.

excellent point.

[the Deejay]

"I am around kids Danielle's age all the time and I know the difference between clean and unkempt."


Ya think you're the *only* one? I have grandkids ages, 5 & 2 1/2. I've never seen them with filthy unkempt hair, body or clothes and I see them all the time. Never once has their hair looked greasy like Danielle's did in that photo. I'm not blaming her. At age 7, it's up to the parents to keep the kid clean.

[the Deejay]

It wasn't Mudd. And I can't recall that judge's name. It'd be in the archives.

[spectre]

Very good thought. The dressing room..trying on clothes..fiber connection...very possible.

sw

[John Jamieson]

That's right it was a different judge, but he couldn't have said that without a giant fight. Are you sure?

[cyncooper]

Two different hair types, John!

[hoosiermama]

If he actually said that Feldman should have assked for a new Judge immediately! It was his responcibility to see his client get a fair trial. Many times the judge is changed as is the location because of pre concieved ideas....bias..

[cyncooper]

Yes, the expert can only state on the witness stand "similar" then goes on to state all the areas of similarity.

Dusek used "match" in his opening and he'll do it again in his close. He's allowed.

[spectre]

JJ, you are right and don't let anyone make you think you are wrong for saying it. Danielle didn't have that "polished" look to her. Wasn't her fault, poor baby.

sw

[John Jamieson]

I agree to not being an expert on this subject but Danielle always struck me as a little sad and dirty. I think she was playing in the mud at WDW, but everyone else sees it differently.

[cyncooper]

5) Orange Fibers found around Danielle's body (were there, how many?)

None found on her except for the necklace fiber.

Lots of the blue fibers on her (the body sheet) and one within her hair. Those blue fibers were in his laundry and MH. I don't believe they were in the SUV. Orange fibers in SUV.