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[blam]

"Sometime after 588 BC. "

Late comers to Ireland, Irish history:

*Fomorians/Cessair, 6,000BC
*Partholonians
*Nemedians
*Firbolgs
*Tuatha De Danann-1880-1700BC
*Milesians(Queen Scota)
*Celtic/Gaels - 600-150BC

[LostTribe]

>*Tuatha De Danann-1880-1700BC

This entry is interesting, because it is often interpreted as meaning "Tribe of Dan". (But there are other interpretations too.)

Parts of the Tribes of Dan, Asher and Judah bailed out of Egypt about a hundred years before the overland Exodus. That would put their "exodus by sea" around 1600 BC(?????) or so. Now if you could get these dates to move a little bit we might have another confirmation.

[LostTribe]

>*Milesians(Queen Scota)

The Milesians name comes from Spain, and those Spaniards are the source of our word "militia". How does this fit in with those extensive Spanish Celtic communities and the frequent travel between Spain and England and Ireland???

[#3Fan]

No, no. Add 540 + 2500 = 3,040AD. (We will be back in the center of the Taurids then)

So you're not counting the tree ring anomolies that occured between the two big ones? No one thinks there's anything to those?

[#3Fan]

Could but I keep on coming back to the religious differences. The Celtic religion is so opposite from the Judaic philosophy. Of course, according to the Bible, Northern Tribes had become very pagan which was why the Assyrian were allowed to overrun them. Those who still followed JHVH would have fled south to Judah where worship continued if not with the same fervor as before. After the conquest it would have been possible for what remained to be totally stamped out.

I'm going by the story of Jeremiah and the three daughters. Some Judaeans (including Jeremiah and the three daughters) escaped the Babylonian captivity and lived a short time in Mizpah beforing fleeing to Egypt against Jeremiah's warnings. God promised that all Judaeans that escaped to Egypt would die except for a remnant. That remnant would go to a land that Jeremiah "knew not", where Jeremiah would build and plant. The remnant left Egypt on ships probably with a few Egyptians as help, maybe that's where the "meka" and therefore "Mc" could have come from. There the three daughters, being princesses of the line of David, married into the already existing Israelite princes there that came on Dan's ships hundreds of years before. Jeremiah took with him the royal artifacts: David's throne, the stone of Scone, etc. God said the stone would be overturned three times and then would come Him that is the rightful king, He being the messiah. The stone turned over from Palestine to Ireland, from Ireland to Scotland, from Scotland to England. That's three.

[#3Fan]

Ooops, Wrong direction. The Babylonian captivity was in Babylon, Mesopotamia.

No, I meant at the time of the Babylonian captivity. Sorry for the sentence structure. The Babylonians released Jeremiah in the captivity and told him he could go where he wished. He went to Mizpah where there were a few Judaeans (including the daughters) under a Jewish government that didn't go into captivity. Jeremiah plead with them not to run to Egypt, but they did, fearing the Babylonians. There they all died, except for a remnant. That remnant went to Ireland.

[#3Fan]

Does anyone have a date or an estimated date of their arrival in Ireland?

Jerusalem fell in 586 B.C. Surely the girls didn't age much so I would guess between 585 B.C. to 565 B.C.

[#3Fan]

FReepers are slipping. We all know that Al Gore discovered America, right after he invented the Internet.

:^)

[#3Fan]

Sometime after 588 BC. But I think Baruch wrote that Jeremiah died in Egypt. Could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

Not that I know of. God said Jeremiah would go to a land that he "knew not". He had to go somewhere after Egypt, because Egypt was well known.

[#3Fan]

fearing the Babylonians

Oops. They actually feared the Ammonites. An small Ammonite force killed the governer and a few others appointed by the Babylonians to govern Mizpah. They took most of the rest hostage, and then were rescued on the way to Ammonite captivity by Johanan (a Judaean captain of the fields), returned to Chimham (by Bethlehem), and then went to Egypt.

[John Locke]

This red herring goes back to a Frenchman, James Amiot. He published a French translation of Plutarch's Lives, which is of interest because it was one of Shakespeare's sources.

He also claimed to have discovered some lost manuscripts of Plutarch, one of which tells the story of the mysterious travel notes found at Carthage. Frankly, I don't believe it.

[blam]

"Parts of the Tribes of Dan, Asher and Judah bailed out of Egypt about a hundred years before the overland Exodus. That would put their "exodus by sea" around 1600 BC(?????) or so. Now if you could get these dates to move a little bit we might have another confirmation."

An Exodus date of 1628 BC works, doesn't it? (ahem)

[blam]

"So you're not counting the tree ring anomolies that occured between the two big ones? No one thinks there's anything to those?"

Sorry, no. I was just addressing the events that I think may have a celestial connection. These are believed to be mostly volcano driven events. There were serious consequences (some say 'near extinction' events) at these dates: 3195BC, 2354BC, 1628BC, 1159BC, 540AD and less serious events at 207BC and 44BC.
The 540AD event is the only one that does not have an acid layer (volcano) in the ice core data. (I may be confusing you, and me, by trying to hard to fit the 2200BC Iraqi crater into the picture). I would like to see the Iraqi crater date change to fit the above mentioned 2354BC timeframe.

[blam]

Connections?:

"The next two groups of invaders, the Firbolgs and the Tuatha De Danann, are said to have been descended from the Nemedians. The De Danann were powerful sorcerors. They possessed the Lia Fail, or Stone of Destiny, which roared when touched by the foot of the rightful king. The Tuatha De Danann overthrew the Fomorians and fought the Firbolgs for control of Ireland. Eventually the Firbolgs' King Eochaid, who is credited with establishing the first Irish laws, was killed in battle against the forces of the De Nananns' King Nuada. The defeated Firbolgs were left with only the province of Connaught.

According to legend, the last De Danann rulers were three queens (Banbha, Eriu and Fodhla) and three kings (MacCecht, MacCuill, and MacGreine). During their reign Ireland was invaded by the Milesians, led by the wife and sons of King Milesius of Spain. Milesius's wife, Queen Scota, said to be the daughter of an Egyptian pharoah, was killed in the fighting, but the Milesians carried the day. The De Danann retreated underground, leaving the surface of Ireland to the Milesians. Today the Irish are sometimes called the Milesian race."

[blam]

"This red herring goes back to a Frenchman, James Amiot. He published a French translation of Plutarch's Lives, which is of interest because it was one of Shakespeare's sources.

He also claimed to have discovered some lost manuscripts of Plutarch, one of which tells the story of the mysterious travel notes found at Carthage. Frankly, I don't believe it."

Thanks. I didn't know where I read that.

[LostTribe]

>An Exodus date of 1628 BC works, doesn't it? (ahem)

For THAT exodus it sure does. While it was much smaller than the "main" one, it certainly was important. Makes sense to me that they made it out of the country under cover of such distress.

[LostTribe]

Bump to Blam.

[#3Fan]

Sorry, no. I was just addressing the events that I think may have a celestial connection. These are believed to be mostly volcano driven events. There were serious consequences (some say 'near extinction' events) at these dates: 3195BC, 2354BC, 1628BC, 1159BC, 540AD and less serious events at 207BC and 44BC. The 540AD event is the only one that does not have an acid layer (volcano) in the ice core data. (I may be confusing you, and me, by trying to hard to fit the 2200BC Iraqi crater into the picture). I would like to see the Iraqi crater date change to fit the above mentioned 2354BC timeframe.

OK. Being that the dates varied by a hundred years and more for the smaller events, they may not be related.

[#3Fan]

The next two groups of invaders, the Firbolgs and the Tuatha De Danann, are said to have been descended from the Nemedians. The De Danann were powerful sorcerors. They possessed the Lia Fail, or Stone of Destiny, which roared when touched by the foot of the rightful king. The Tuatha De Danann overthrew the Fomorians and fought the Firbolgs for control of Ireland. Eventually the Firbolgs' King Eochaid, who is credited with establishing the first Irish laws, was killed in battle against the forces of the De Nananns' King Nuada. The defeated Firbolgs were left with only the province of Connaught. According to legend, the last De Danann rulers were three queens (Banbha, Eriu and Fodhla) and three kings (MacCecht, MacCuill, and MacGreine).

There's the Macs. Looks like Egyptian origin but predates Jeremiah's arrival.

During their reign Ireland was invaded by the Milesians, led by the wife and sons of King Milesius of Spain. Milesius's wife, Queen Scota, said to be the daughter of an Egyptian pharoah, was killed in the fighting, but the Milesians carried the day.

Scota is one of the daughters, yes, but a daughter of Zedekiah. Hmmm, they stopped off in Spain first she and married an Israelite king of a Danite colony, it may appear. Maybe Jeremiah never made it to Ireland, maybe he died in Spain.

The De Danann retreated underground, leaving the surface of Ireland to the Milesians. Today the Irish are sometimes called the Milesian race."

Brother against brother. The original Danite colony in Ireland overtaken by Isralite invaders of the Davidic kingline. I didn't know about a stopover in Spain. Interesting.

[#3Fan]

For THAT exodus it sure does. While it was much smaller than the "main" one, it certainly was important. Makes sense to me that they made it out of the country under cover of such distress.

What's your date for the Ten Plagues of Egypt? I've seen good evidence for 1560 B.C. I'd link it but I can't find it now.