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Sherman the Pyromaniac
LewRockwell.com ^ | June 21, 2002 | Gail Jarvis

Posted on 06/21/2002 7:41:57 AM PDT by Aurelius

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To: agrandis
Nah, but you're moving up the list in a hurry.
101 posted on 06/22/2002 2:08:14 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: billbears
You're putting too much faith into one man, billbears. Even if he survives the wound he still misses Gettysburg so there is little doubt that the same mistakes are made there. Vicksburg still falls, Grant still kicks Bragg's butt at Chattanooga and comes east to take command. He still moves south in the spring and Sherman heads towards Atlanta. And the eventual results are the same. Jackson may delay it, but he can't prevent it all on his lonesome.
102 posted on 06/22/2002 2:11:53 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: curmudgeonII
They certainly had more choice than the people living in the hotels in New York City when Confederate agents attempted to incinerate them [with the occupants still inside].

Or the Charleston SC civilians bombarded for months by Federal batteries. Examples:

(1) "Miss Plane, the lady reported as injured from a shell on Christmas morning, died on Wednesday from the effects of the injuries received." (Charleston Courier, Dec 31, 1863, as reported in The Daily Picayune, Jan 17, 1864)

"The St. Philip Street school-house remained untouched. A frame house adjoining it has nevertheless been hit by one of the shells, and fears were entertained for the safety of the school-house. Shells were flying round it constantly during the bombardment. The teachers, however, still keep the school open and the little girls and boys attended it in great numbers very regularly." (From The New York Herald, as reported in The Daily Picayune, Feb 12, 1864)

"There have been lately two large fires in Charleston, caused by our shells. Deserters say the city is now divided into two districts, viz: 'in range' and 'out of range,' and that no other expression is used. Nine persons were killed a few nights since, and a large number wounded, including men, women, and children, and twelve homes burned to the ground." (Washington Republican, Feb 26, 1864, as reported in The Daily Picayune March 11, 1864)

I'm sure there are more examples of civilians being hurt by the Federal bombardment of Charleston. These were the ones I found in the few pages I have of the wartime New Orleans paper, The Daily Picayune.

103 posted on 06/22/2002 2:23:09 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: Non-Sequitur
LOL! It's not so outrageous if you call ME a fool. It's calling great men of history "fools" for making hard decisions that gets me riled.
104 posted on 06/22/2002 6:39:31 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: moyden
I was born in Atlanta, Ga,

Nuff said. You're dismissed. I made the nearly fatal mistake of living in that liberal, Yankee Hell-hole for over a year.

105 posted on 06/22/2002 6:46:02 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: agrandis
"Very interesting story at the end of the article!"

Yes, it shows the real, true heart of the south.

106 posted on 06/22/2002 6:46:48 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: rustbucket
#85 - Good post!

Deo vindice!

107 posted on 06/22/2002 6:51:24 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: SamAdams76
Another thing the neo-Rebs don't seem to understand is that the South is very important to this country.

Don't know what a "neo-Reb" is, but there is no doubt to the truth of your (under)statement that the "South is very important to this country." The North, meantime, and their waves in the metropolises of the South, are a hindrance to the South and West. I think since the North wouldn't let us be free of them, we should just kick them out of the Union next time. We (meaning we, the people of the South, not scalawags like Slick) like the Constitution, not Collectivism. We'd like to live under the Constitution, not Collectivism. May we choose to do that peacefully?

Now, about the term "neo-Reb:" If you are referring to Confederates, we have been Confederates for generations; there is nothing "neo" about it. And since we are the ones that wanted to preserve the Founders' dream, how are we the "rebels?"

108 posted on 06/22/2002 7:01:58 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: stand watie
Deo vindice, Cherokee and Confederate brother!
109 posted on 06/22/2002 7:05:37 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: agrandis
Don't know what a "neo-Reb" is

Neither do I, to tell you the truth. I was simply repeating the term used by the person who I was responding to in this thread. I probably shouldn't have repeated it.

110 posted on 06/22/2002 7:06:55 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: stand watie
the OTHER way would have been a vast offensive by partisans & guerrillas. we rebels could have held the wilderness & mountain areas of the country essentially forever;sooner or later the damnyankees would have given up trying to occupy our lands.

The more I learn of Robert E. Lee, the more I love him. He has to be one of the most noble men in all of history. I respect his tack after the war, and it made both moral and practical sense, but part of me has always disagreed with his rejection of guerilla warfare. He convinced a lot of Confederates to give up the idea.

Jesse James and a few stragglers who moved to Mexico just didn't a guerilla war make.

111 posted on 06/22/2002 7:10:33 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: curmudgeonII
My personal favorite "act of vandalism" by the freedom fighters was when Jeb Stuart captured a team of Federal pack horses, and captured an outpost in PA, I think it was. He sent a telegram to the White House, saying something to the effect that he liked the horses, and could they please send more as soon as possible. He signed off J.E.B. Stuart. I love Jeb Stuart - great guy! Everyone could take a lesson on how to lead, and how to deal with adversity from that man, even if you disagree with (or misunderstand) his cause.
112 posted on 06/22/2002 7:18:59 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: SamAdams76
Fair enough - I see it didn't originate from you.

BTW, I hope you and a handful of others will someday succeed in returning the Boston area to its 18th century love of liberty.

113 posted on 06/22/2002 7:22:03 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: Aurelius
Yes, it shows the real, true heart of the south.

It also shows that not all Yankees were blind to or approving of the suffering in the South. Just as not all Yankees today are blind to the complexities of the history or importance of the struggle to this day.

114 posted on 06/22/2002 7:25:23 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: agrandis
BTW, I hope you and a handful of others will someday succeed in returning the Boston area to its 18th century love of liberty.

I think the biggest problem here is all the colleges in town. Liberals send their kids here from all over the country and then they never leave because this is such a great place to live! Well, at least we haven't had a tax-and-spend Democrat in the governor's office since 1990 (Mike Dukakis). Things are looking good for Mitt Romney in November too.

BTW, Massachusetts is surprisingly conservative once you get outside the I-495 belt.

115 posted on 06/22/2002 7:56:30 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: stand watie
at least 5 CSA prisoners from my family were MURDERED while a POW at Point Lookout,MD.

My wife's great-grandfather is known to have died a prisoner at Point Lookout, but he is one of the many, many who died there that are not listed on the records.

stand watie, I found the following that might interest you in a Feb 27, 1864 issue of The Daily Picayune newspaper from New Orleans. They were reporting something published in the Chicago Tribune of the 18th (I think they mean Feb 18th).

Among our prisoners are about 100 copperfaced, bareheaded and barefooted Indians from the smoky mountains of North Carolina. Such savage wretches should never be taken prisoners. They will be sent north with the rebel deserters.

The article doesn't say exactly where the Feds captured the Indians. The article has the title, "The War in East Tennessee" and indicates the information came from a letter from Knoxville. The last part of the paragraph I excerpted above mentioned the locations of Kingston, Crab Orchard, and Jacksboro. What I listed above is the only part that mentions the Indians.

116 posted on 06/22/2002 8:12:40 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: agrandis
If Davis is your idea of a great man of history then I question your standards in that area.
117 posted on 06/23/2002 3:53:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: agrandis
...when Jeb Stuart captured a team of Federal pack horses, and captured an outpost in PA...

And when Stuart presented all these horses and wagons to Lee a few days later following the second day at Gettysburg, Lee is supposed to have said simply, "General, they are an impediment to me now." That because Stuart was joyriding instead of scouting out the Union army, wasn't it? As a result Lee got surprised at Gettysburg and the rest is history.

118 posted on 06/23/2002 3:58:03 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
The Stuart story I'm referring to was way before Gettysburg. Yes, he did screw up at Gettysburg. That fool! You wouldn't have, would you?

If Davis is your idea of a great man of history then I question your standards in that area.

That means a lot to me.

119 posted on 06/23/2002 7:47:24 AM PDT by agrandis
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To: agrandis
The Stuart story I'm referring to was way before Gettysburg.

You mentioned an outpost in Pennsylvania. As far as I know the only time Stuart was in Pennsylvania was during the Gettysburg campaign.

You wouldn't have, would you?

Probably not. I would have been fighting for the Union against the rebellion.

120 posted on 06/23/2002 10:13:24 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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