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My Life Is a Lie [“Every dollar you earn climbing from $40,000 to $100,000 triggers benefit losses that exceed your income gains. You are literally poorer for working harder.”]
yesigiveafig.com ^ | November 30, 2025 | Michael W. Green

Posted on 12/04/2025 1:53:20 PM PST by grundle

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To: Mariner
There is no allowance for employer health insurance. As you go up in income that chance increases substantially.

Exactly. Roughly 90% of American workers work for wages. That means they generally have access to health insurance through their employer. While the quality of that insurance obviously varies, for the most part it's good enough.

101 posted on 12/04/2025 8:31:19 PM PST by Terabitten (Our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor...)
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To: Fledermaus
I paid in and now I’m getting back monthly.

You paid in to somebody else's SS check, and now other people are paying in to make your SS check.

It's a ponzi scheme, or generational theft.

It's NOT an investment, so the term "return" has no real applicability to it. You get whatever Congress decides to give you.

And it’s only my supplement income.

So you're not stupid. That's good.

102 posted on 12/04/2025 8:48:57 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Mariner
There is no allowance for family help in ASSUMED eternal childcare.

Not only that, but some of his numbers are suspect. The author gives a number of $32k/yr for two kids, or roughly $1333 per month per child. He gives no indication of how he arrived at that number.

A quick google search indicates that the average monthly daycare cost for an infant is $1282/mo, which is lower than his but still reasonably close. However, daycare for a toddler, typically defined as a 1-3 year old, drops to $1200/month, and it drops down to $800/mo for a 4 year old.

A reasonable 2 year separation between children would mean the costs would be about $29,784 the first year, assuming a newborn and a 2 year old. The 2nd year (1 year old and 3 year old) would be $28800 and the third year (2 and 4) would be $24000. By the fourth year, cost would drop dramatically as the older child is now in school and no longer needs all day daycare, and the youngest child would be 4 years old and costs would be about $9600/year. By the fifth year, child care costs would be negligible relatively speaking. All the while, the family income continues to increase.

103 posted on 12/04/2025 9:03:42 PM PST by Terabitten (Our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor...)
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To: grundle

The system is designed for dependency. It has nothing to do with a helping hand up. If it did benefits would phase out.

Just about everything the gooberment does has a clif of qualification. One penny above or below the limit and now you pay 100% of the incremental tax or penalty or lose 100% of the previous benefit.

Government sucks and is populated by idiots.


104 posted on 12/04/2025 10:12:48 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Malsua

Not much of an incentive is it? I have been there and had to climb over that mountain to enter a different land so to speak. It was a bitter trip for me. It made me hate the government more than I ever did and still do. The only thing I hate more are the politicians and the voters that put a lot of them in office.


105 posted on 12/04/2025 10:17:40 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: grundle
At this income, the family is struggling, but the state provides a floor. They qualify for Medicaid (free healthcare). They receive SNAP (food stamps). They receive heavy childcare subsidies. Their deficits are real, but capped.

Not only, but such can also qualify for many non-cash benefits that are not counted as income.

I asked https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-causes-and-what-can-resol-1xHgDwIiRwKT7pxSNWeOtA#5 to read the link, as well as Welfare and growing dependency upon government. What determines income in Federal Poverty Guidelines as to its veracity. It responded:

 

The piece is directionally right that the official poverty line is an old, very limited benchmark that understates current economic stress, but its claim that the “real” poverty line is about 140k for a family of four is more rhetorical and model‑driven than something standard data would support. Means‑tested benefits and under‑reported income (including cohabiting partners) do complicate the picture and can make some low‑reported‑income households better off than the official numbers suggest, but the scale of that effect is far smaller than what would be needed to overturn the broad story that many working‑ and middle‑income households face real financial squeeze.

What the article gets basically right

Where the 140k “poverty line” is more debatable

How non‑cash and under‑reported resources affect the picture

Fraud, cohabitation, and “hidden” income

Pulling it together

If you like, a next step would be to build a simple spreadsheet for one or two specific regions, using local rent/childcare/insurance numbers, and compare: official poverty line, your own “basic needs” budget, and what various benefit packages would actually cover for a single‑parent vs. cohabiting‑couple scenario.


106 posted on 12/05/2025 2:06:50 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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