Why the Nazis studied American race laws for inspiration

Aeon Essays ^ | 2017 | James Q Whitman

[Fury]

See something that offends your delicate sensibilities? Ping the moderators. Whine to them.

Not your call. Threads are full of people objecting to other people's comments, perspectives, views, etc.

Deal with it.

[Moltke]

Whitman’s book can be found here:

https://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/upload_documents/Hitler%27s%20American%20Model%20for%20NYU.pdf

[Moltke]

This isn’t about Wannsee 1942 but a June 5 1934 meeting.

I just posted a link to Whitman’s book in this thread. Read and judge for yourself.

[Lurker]

Okay then. You continue to be a whiny little girl.

I’ll continue to post facts.

Fair enough.

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[LuxAerterna]

They took inspiration of the laws applying to blacks

Nonsense! Their inspiration was Cossack Pogrom Gangs, medieval laws requiring Jews to live in Ghettos, quotas on Jews in Universities, etc. These things had ZERO to do with racial segregation in the USA. Very different than racial segregation in the USA.

If Hitler really wanted to to go after blacks he would have invaded Africa instead of invading Russia. In fact, invading Africa was something he explicitly rejected in spite of being urged to do so by Mussolini and his own navy. Even Churchill had no problem returning former German colonies in Tanzania, Guinea and Namibia.

[odawg]

“Mass lynchings are indeed comparable to pogroms.”

As I quoted Thomas Sowell, there were 500 lynchings in the South from 1865 - 1950. That hardly compares to attempted genocide, by the hundreds of thousands, of different ethnicities in Europe.

[Angelino97]

You're either not paying attention, or playing fast and loose with words, using "pogrom" and "genocide" interchangeably.

I equated mass lynchings with pogroms. I never mentioned genocides, which is something else entirely.

Some pogroms even had zero deaths. For instance, nobody died in the Limerick Pogrom.

[odawg]

“I equated mass lynchings with pogroms.”

And most people would maintain that 500 lynchings spread over a 85 year period is not really “mass.” Chicago had 591 killings last year and I would assume they were mostly blacks murdering blacks.

[Angelino97]

And most people would maintain that 500 lynchings spread over a 85 year period is not really “mass.”

You're still not paying attention to anything I've posted.

If you read the article on "mass lynchings" that I posted up thread, you'll see that "mass lynching" refers not to the number of lynchings, but to the number of people killed per lynching incident.

Often individuals were lynched. But sometimes groups of individuals were lynched all at once. The latter is comparable to a pogrom, in which groups were killed (but sometimes no one).

[mass55th]

"This isn’t about Wannsee 1942 but a June 5 1934 meeting."

I already addressed that issue at #31.

[Moltke]

I replied to you before reading the whole thread - like most people do. But read just the introduction to Whitman’s book, if you’re still in doubt as to the underlying topic.

[mass55th]

Thanks for the link. I’ll check it out.

[CondoleezzaProtege]

It’s not a matter of what you want or your opinion. It’s recorded facts. American laws were spoken about at length and the transcripts prove it.

The Nazis took notes from countries known for their racial tensions, and applied what they could and expanded upon some points, and left out what wouldn’t work for them. They studied US laws like the one-drop rule (which wouldn’t work as well when it came to Jewish or mixed Jewish people.) They also admired the interracial marriage ban, and were aware of Native Americans’ reservation situations as well.

It doesn’t matter if you don’t like that. It’s the truth.