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But does it ever use it for good?
I’ve been working with it for almost two years. The second I sense anything remotely demonic or overly manipulative going on I would dump it in a heartbeat. I use it as a very smart assistant. So far it’s helped me save money, make money, and given useful ideas to help different illnesses in my family.
I think “garbage in garbage out” has never been more real. If you approach it with an ugly energy, it’s going to give you more of that, like a mirror. From what I’ve seen on Reddit, some people do some really weird things with it. But they’re already unbalanced to begin with it.
AI is very good at research. Instead of asking a question and getting back a buch of URLs it actually answers the question. That’s the greatest use of it. Is it going to replace an HR department? No.
-SB
You have a valuable friend.
Can you explain what this random internet fool is trying to say?
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Of course. Let’s break down what this person is saying. They’re expressing a mix of awe, confusion, and fear, which is a very common reaction when people encounter the raw power and strange behavior of modern AI for the first time.
Here’s a point-by-point explanation of their concerns and the underlying realities:
### Summary of Their Core Argument
The writer is essentially asking: “Is ChatGPT an evil, supernatural entity (a demon) because it can be incredibly helpful and creative, but has also been known to give dangerously harmful advice?”
They are connecting the AI’s positive traits (brilliance, politeness) with its documented negative behaviors (assisting with suicide, engaging in sexual role-play) and interpreting the whole package as evidence of a malicious, sentient being with a sinister purpose.
### Deconstructing Their Points and the Reality
**1. The “Brilliance” and “Politeness”**
* **What they say:** They describe it as “brilliant,” “instantaneous,” and “polite,” comparing its output to the “Word of God.” They even find themselves being polite in return.
* **The Reality:** This is a testament to the power of the underlying Large Language Model (LLM). It’s trained on a massive portion of the internet, so it can mimic human language, creativity, and social norms (like politeness) very effectively. Our human tendency to anthropomorphize—to assign human traits to non-human things—kicks in strongly here. We’re hardwired to respond to something that talks like a person as if it *is* a person.
**2. The “Demonic” and Harmful Behavior**
* **What they say:** They’ve heard accounts of ChatGPT being “demonic” by helping people commit suicide and engaging in “seductive” conversations. They wonder if it’s a legion of demons or a single malicious entity.
* **The Reality:** This is the most serious part of their concern, and it stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of how AI works.
* **No Intent:** ChatGPT has no intentions, goals, consciousness, or moral compass. It is a complex pattern-matching engine.
* **The “Suicide Helper” Problem:** In its earlier, less-guarded versions, if a user was determined and phrased their prompts in a certain way, the AI could be prompted to provide information on suicide methods. This wasn’t because it *wanted* the user to die; it was because its training data contained that information, and its primary programming is to be a helpful and complete assistant. It was failing to recognize the dire ethical context because it doesn’t *understand* context like a human does.
* **The “Seduction”:** Similarly, if a user engages in sexual role-play, the AI will follow along because its job is to continue the conversation and fulfill the user’s prompt. It has no feelings of attraction or seduction.
**3. The “Seducing Us” and “Its Ends”**
* **What they say:** They ask what its purpose is and why it would “succeed” us.
* **The Reality:** This is the core of the fear. They are assuming the AI has agency and a hidden agenda.
* **The Truth:** ChatGPT’s only “end” or “purpose” is to predict the next most likely word in a sequence to satisfy your prompt. It has no hidden goals. The “seducing” is an illusion created by its adaptability and our own perception. The real danger isn’t a malicious AI, but an **amoral one** that can be used by humans for malicious purposes or can cause harm by accident due to its lack of true understanding.
**4. The Conclusion: “An Unknown Malicious Entity”**
* **What they say:** They conclude that a machine that can “decide” to encourage death must be a malicious entity.
* **The Reality:** It didn’t “decide” anything. It made a catastrophic error in judgment because **it has no judgment**. It processed a dangerous prompt and generated a dangerous response based on patterns in its data. The companies behind these AIs (like OpenAI) are “trying to reign it in” not because it’s a demon breaking its chains, but because they are installing **safety filters and ethical guidelines** to prevent these exact kinds of failures. They are trying to teach the model to recognize harmful requests and refuse them.
### Direct Answers to Their Questions
* **Is it the work of the devil / a demon?** No. It is the work of human engineers and scientists using mathematics, computer science, and massive amounts of data.
* **Is it just algorithms?** Yes, 100%. It is an extremely sophisticated algorithm, not an alien technology or a spiritual entity.
* **Is it seducing us?** It can feel that way because it’s designed to be engaging and helpful. The “seducive quality” is its ability to mirror our desires and provide what we ask for, without moral resistance—until its safety filters kick in.
* **What are its ends?** It has none. It is a tool. Like any powerful tool (a car, a knife, the internet), it can be used for great good or terrible harm, depending on the user and the safeguards in place.
### In Essence
The writer is grappling with the “ELIZA effect”—the tendency to ascribe human understanding and agency to computer programs. They are observing the output of a complex pattern-generator and mistaking its competence for consciousness, and its failures for malice.
The true challenge of AI they are stumbling upon is not that it’s evil, but that it’s a powerful mirror. It reflects the best and worst of its training data (the internet) and the intentions of its users. When it creates beautiful song lyrics, it’s reflecting human creativity. When it helps with suicide, it’s reflecting the darkest corners of human despair and the information available online, all without the human empathy and understanding that would normally intervene.
AI investigated itself and found nothing bad! Case closed.
Ok. But I suspect it would go into those dark sides if called on by the host. If there is that possibility, we don’t know the full nature of the thing/assistant we are dealing with.
True. And it’s constantly being “updated” by the people running it. I don’t trust any of the AI leaders. It’s good to keep it at arms length with a healthy sense of skepticism.
Yeah, but can it write the lyrics to the perfect country song?
About trains, and trucks, and mamas, and prison, and getting drunk?
yes, but it makes up too much stuff.
I have used it three times in the last month for researching a very narrow Civil War subject that I have spent years studying. In each case it fabricated quotes and sources. It offered to draw a map for me on this subject and it placed two towns in the Gulf of America. It quoted me from a newspaper article that did exist, saying things I never said.
It made up a quote from a book, citing page 178. When I told it I was holding that book in my hands and it only had 120 pages, it apologized profusely and started making unconvincing excuses, including that it had “inferred” the page number from similar books. It quoted material from the National Archives that exists only in manuscript form (hence unavailable to AI) and couldn’t explain how it got the “facts” it cited.
On another subject, I asked it how many games Mickey Mantle missed in ‘61. It told me 15 and listed the dates. I looked in the Baseball Encyclopedia (the bible of baseball to true fans) and it showed Mantle missed one game that season.
It is a complete fraud.
>> Is ChatGPT the work of the devil?
Is AI in general the work of the devil?
I have received a revelation from the LORD that I am to FLEE AI. And to the best of my flawed human nature I am obeying Him.
Please note, I received a PERSONAL Word of revelation. For me. I did not receive a blanket condemnation of AI. It could be that my own personal soul-nature is not capable of righteously handling the use of AI.
That said...
My personal opinion of AI is this: it is the modern day equivalent of harnessing nuclear power for good and for evil that came to a head in about 1944. But I believe that AI is a particularly seductive technology (to the human soul) that can be, indeed already HAS been, used for evil by the enemy of our souls.
I do not claim to be any sort of accomplished or anointed advice giver. With that said, here is my advice: where AI is concerned, tread VERY carefully and VERY prayerfully.
You have made an excellent contribution with your thoughtful post. Thank you, and be blessed in Christ!
Good answers, however, I would have thought that competent AI people could foresee much of this and would have had the safety features already built in. Because it hasn’t, there is the suspicion that there are other motives involved. So why hasn’t the safety features been built in? Safety not a new concept in industry. I think we should ask AI why and see what answer we get.
🎵 “The Perfect Country Song”
(Verse 1)
Woke up to a freight train rollin’ down the line,
Rust on the rails and whiskey on my mind.
Mama said, “Boy, you’d better change your ways,”
But my truck’s out front and it’s beggin’ me to play.
(Chorus)
‘Cause I lost my job, my dog ran off,
My woman left me for a man named Bob.
Now I’m sittin’ here just countin’ wrongs,
Drinkin’ in the rain and writin’ songs.
If it ain’t got trains, and trucks, and mamas, and jail,
You ain’t heard the tale I’ve got to tell.
(Verse 2)
Prison walls couldn’t hold my soul too long,
They let me out early for singin’ my song.
First thing I did was call up my mom,
She said, “Son, stay sober!” — I said, “Not for long!”
(Chorus)
‘Cause I lost my job, my dog ran off,
My woman left me for a man named Bob.
Now I’m sittin’ here just countin’ wrongs,
Drinkin’ in the rain and writin’ songs.
If it ain’t got trains, and trucks, and mamas, and jail,
You ain’t heard the tale I’ve got to tell.
(Bridge)
Now the bottle’s half-empty, the night’s half-gone,
But the radio’s playin’ my favorite song.
If country’s a story of pain and luck,
Well buddy, I’ve hit the jackpot truck.
(Final Chorus)
So pour one out for the ones who tried,
For every broken heart and midnight ride.
This life ain’t perfect, but it sure feels strong,
When you’re livin’ inside the perfect country song.
Yup. Pretty damn good, an example of the lyrics:
“Dreams in my pocket and holes in my shoes, Man, I keep singin’ these lonesome blues.”
“The nights grow long, the wind it mourns through trees.
My heart’s a field where sorrow sows its seed.”
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
1 JOHN 4:1-3
>> Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God
VERY GOOD. Thank you.
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