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James Watson, Nobel Prize-winning co-discoverer of DNA’s double-helix structure, dead at 97
Fox News ^ | 11/7/2025 | Sophia Compton

Posted on 11/08/2025 5:28:43 AM PST by sopo

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To: sopo; lightman; Navy Patriot

Another great, and Nobel Prize winning, molecular biologist, David Baltimore, recently passed away, with no notice from FR.

https://news.mit.edu/2025/remembering-david-baltimore-0908

Memory Eternal!


41 posted on 11/08/2025 8:38:57 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb

Thanks for the interesting details—one of the reasons FR is so great.


42 posted on 11/08/2025 8:46:39 AM PST by cgbg ("The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it.")
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To: cgbg
almost all generalizations of science and politics for that matter start to fall apart when placed under the microscope.

Just ran across this same thought from a book by the economist E.F. Shumaker, A Guide for the Perplexed

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43 posted on 11/08/2025 8:54:45 AM PST by aspasia
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To: aspasia

Great quote.

I have posted a lot on this and related topics.

Science these days has a lot of hidden assumptions and sacred cows that crumble under close examination.

Ayn Rand had a favorite expression that applies here:

“Check your premises.”

If you get those wrong you are done.


44 posted on 11/08/2025 8:57:45 AM PST by cgbg ("The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it.")
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To: cgbg
Obviously a lot of very intelligent folks throughout history were racists.

Mr. Watson was one of them.

Would it be "racist" to observe that Africans have darker skin than Europeans, on average? Is it any more "racist" to observe that on average, Africans underperform Europeans on standard intelligence tests? Or that Africans, on average, outperform Europeans on the 100 meter dash?

45 posted on 11/08/2025 9:38:13 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Nullius in verba)
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To: Honorary Serb

Was Crick an atheist too? Just wondering because the discovery to me as a believer just reinforces the awe and wonder of creation and all its many intricacies.


46 posted on 11/08/2025 11:33:36 AM PST by xp38
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To: xp38

Atheist!

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC535570/


47 posted on 11/08/2025 11:35:57 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb

Also I recall reading somewhere (most likely an old FR post)
that Watson and Crick may have actually stolen the DNA
double helix idea from a fellow researcher, a female no less!


48 posted on 11/08/2025 11:41:28 AM PST by BrandtMichaels ( 1st Peter 4:8 "Above all, love each other deeply because love covers a multitude of sins." )
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To: xp38

Crick’s own words:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/india/s1990a01.htm


49 posted on 11/08/2025 11:42:46 AM PST by jjotto ("...saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau...")
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To: BrandtMichaels

Rosalind Franklin


50 posted on 11/08/2025 11:52:02 AM PST by aspasia
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To: Honorary Serb; jjotto

Ok thanks. That makes it doubly ironic from my point of view.


51 posted on 11/08/2025 11:52:06 AM PST by xp38
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To: aspasia

Basically Rosalind Franklin appears was betrayed by
her colleague Maurice Wilkins.

Timeline of Key Events 1940s–1962 (per GROK):
DNA identified as genetic material (e.g., Avery’s experiments). Franklin joins King’s College to study DNA fibers using X-ray diffraction.

Late 1951: Watson and Crick begin model-building at Cambridge, inspired by a talk by Wilkins showing Franklin’s early data.

May 1952: Franklin captures Photo 51, showing DNA’s helical structure clearly.

January 1953: Wilkins shows Photo 51 to Watson (without Franklin’s knowledge) during a visit.

February–March 1953: Watson and Crick build and refine the double helix model using Franklin’s measurements. Franklin drafts her own helix paper but hesitates on the exact form.

April 25, 1953: Watson and Crick publish their model in Nature, crediting “unpublished results” from Franklin and Wilkins.

1958: Franklin dies of ovarian cancer at age 37 (likely from radiation exposure in her work).

1962: Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine awarded to Watson, Crick, and Wilkins (Nobels aren’t given posthumously).


52 posted on 11/08/2025 12:26:03 PM PST by BrandtMichaels ( 1st Peter 4:8 "Above all, love each other deeply because love covers a multitude of sins." )
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To: aspasia; BrandtMichaels

Nope!

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01313-5


53 posted on 11/08/2025 12:33:55 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: FamiliarFace; sopo

“ doesn’t even make the news at CNN!”

“ I was wondering why few covered his death.”

We live in an age of ignorance and ingratitude.

Claiming to revere science, they don’t. And know and understand nothing about it.


54 posted on 11/08/2025 1:20:19 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: cgbg

Watson wasn’t racist.


55 posted on 11/08/2025 1:21:15 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: cgbg

I’d say Mendel, which made it possible to figure out DNA.


56 posted on 11/08/2025 1:22:28 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: xp38

Double Helix in the sky tonight
Throw out the hardware, let’s do it right


57 posted on 11/08/2025 1:23:42 PM PST by dfwgator ("I am Charlie Kirk!")
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To: ifinnegan

“Watson wasn’t racist.”

More detailed discussion, please.


58 posted on 11/08/2025 1:24:35 PM PST by cgbg ("The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it.")
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To: aspasia

“ How smart was James Watson? Smart, but not to bright:”

Yeah.

He’s no Francis Cricket, who had his own stupidities also.


59 posted on 11/08/2025 1:27:14 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: xp38

“ Was Crick an atheist too? ”

Yes. And a reason he gave was illogical.

He was brilliant but his thinking here was stupid.


60 posted on 11/08/2025 1:34:37 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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