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What Does Saint Thomas Say About Immigration?
American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property ^ | July 4, 2014 | John Horvat II

Posted on 08/05/2025 7:52:44 AM PDT by Angelino97

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Contrary to popular belief, traditional Catholic theology does not support "open borders" immigration.

1 posted on 08/05/2025 7:52:44 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

lol


2 posted on 08/05/2025 8:01:49 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Angelino97

Left out Jesus completely?
He who enters not by the gate is a thief.
John 10:1
Why quote saints when you canget it directly from the source?
Nonesense


3 posted on 08/05/2025 8:02:51 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Don't shoot until you see the whites of their lies)
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To: Angelino97

“What does the Bible say about immigration?”

Adam & Eve lived in the Garden of Eden. They immigrated to another place.
Descendants of Ham, Shem & Japheth immigrated to other places.
Noah & descendants immigrated to various places.
The children of Israel immigrated to Egypt.
After hundreds of years as Egyptians, the children of Israel immigrated across the border into Sinai & then North & West.

Need I continue? The Bible, like human history, is full of individuals and groups of people moving from place to place.

Catherine the Great invited my Amish/Menonite ancestors to move from Holland to Crimea. They were immigrants long before the immigrated to England and then to the US and then to Canada.


4 posted on 08/05/2025 8:03:54 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Angelino97

bump


5 posted on 08/05/2025 8:05:36 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT back in 2006)
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To: spintreebob

The Israelites “immigrated” to Canaan, then killed everyone they saw.


6 posted on 08/05/2025 8:25:27 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: bunkerhill7
Why quote saints when you canget it directly from the source?

What makes you think you understand "the source"?

Evangelicals might not put much stock in the great Church doctors and theologians. But most Christians throughout history -- Catholics, Orthodox, and even many mainline Protestants -- appreciate the Biblical insights of the great minds who've spent their lives in religious study.

7 posted on 08/05/2025 8:30:26 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: George from New England

Didn’t know St. Thomas was still alive.


8 posted on 08/05/2025 8:33:19 AM PDT by chopperk
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To: chopperk

He is alive in Christ.


9 posted on 08/05/2025 8:40:10 AM PDT by Sirius Lee ("Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”)
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To: spintreebob
Adam & Eve lived in the Garden of Eden. They immigrated to another place.

There were no foreign nations, foreign or otherwise, at this time.

Descendants of Ham, Shem & Japheth immigrated to other places.

Similarly, there were no other peoples or nations when Ham, Shem & Japheth immigrated.

Noah & descendants immigrated to various places.

Noah & descendants would have been the genesis of tribes and nations following the flood. There was an entire unpopulated world for Noah descendants to occupy. There was no immigration as we understand it today.

Scriptures that apply to illegal immigration.

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." - Romans 13:1

And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” -Mark 12:17

10 posted on 08/05/2025 8:44:59 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: JesusIsLord
"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." - Romans 13:1

This is the real operative Scripture text. The civil law should be obeyed by everyone as long as it doesn't command a person to sin.

[guilty look] Yes, I sometimes speed on the interstate. I'm just trying to stay with traffic for safety's sake, officer. Truly I am.

11 posted on 08/05/2025 8:54:05 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: JesusIsLord

With my Amish background, libertarian tilt & Christian belier, it is hard for me to conceive of my life, my redisdence, belonging to Ceasar. My taxes yes... but me..No!


12 posted on 08/05/2025 8:57:29 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
“What does the Bible say about immigration?”

Adam & Eve lived in the Garden of Eden. They immigrated to another place.

*emigrated.

What does the Bible say about obeying the laws of the land?

Romans 13:1-5 ESV
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Titus 3:1 ESV
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

Romans 2:13 ESV
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.

1 Peter 2:13-17 ESV
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Romans 3:31 ESV
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

13 posted on 08/05/2025 8:59:20 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Angelino97
What makes you think you understand "the source"?

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."
- Jesus

14 posted on 08/05/2025 9:05:07 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ LIFE )
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To: spintreebob
Adam & Eve lived in the Garden of Eden. They immigrated to another place.

Adam and Eve didn't emigrate from Eden. They were deported for breaking God's commandment. (Genesis 3)

Noah & descendants immigrated to various places.

No, they didn't. They all gathered into one place, (Shinar) again, breaking God's commandment. When they sought to make themselves equal to God, He confounded them by making them all speak in different languages so they were forced to spread out. (Genesis 11)

After hundreds of years as Egyptians, the children of Israel immigrated across the border into Sinai & then North & West.

The Egyptians never considered the Hebrews to be Egyptian, nor did the Hebrews ever consider themselves to be Egyptian.

15 posted on 08/05/2025 9:21:14 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Angelino97

How ‘the Left,’ Islam, and Gulf Money Turn Christians Into Doormats

https://pjmedia.com/raymond-ibrahim/2025/07/03/how-the-left-islam-and-gulf-money-turn-christians-into-doormats-n4941415


16 posted on 08/05/2025 9:34:33 AM PDT by packagingguy
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Exactly. Adam was supposed to wear the pants, but didn’t.
It’s always a woman. They were evicted.

Old Dan Tucker was a fine old man

He washed his face in a frying pan

He combed his hair with a wagon wheel

And died of a toothache in his heel

Get out the way old Dan Tucker

You’re too late to git your supper

Supper’s gone and dinner cookin’

Old Dan Tucker’s just a-standin’ there lookin’.


17 posted on 08/05/2025 9:54:47 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
According to the Catholic Church, in the verse that you cite, Jesus is promising to send the Holy Spirit to guide the Catholic Church's leaders (Peter being the first Pope), who will in turn guide the people.

That verse doesn't mean that any lay person can pick up a Bible and interpret it for themselves, relying solely on the Spirit. The Spirit guides you to the Church.

The Ethiopian eunich did not rely on the Spirit to interpret Isaiah for him. Instead, the Spirit sent Philip (the Church) to teach the eunich.

18 posted on 08/05/2025 10:50:51 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: tumblindice

The only problem is illegal migration. If you don’t defend your borders, vigorously, you are not a nation. That is what the WEF want — no nations.
But, if you exclude all migrants you will become insulated and fall behind. You need to vet all who come in and demand assimilation.

Potential migrants? Can’t go somewhere? Then, knuckle down and fix your country.


19 posted on 08/05/2025 11:04:51 AM PDT by bobbo666
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To: Angelino97

—> According to the Catholic Church

While Christ is speaking primarily to the Apostles in this passage, it doesn’t stand alone as testimony of The Spirit guiding *all* believers.

For example, the Apostle John wrote this inspired promise..,

“1 John 2:27

“As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.”

In addition through the Spirit, God gifts teachers to His churches…

Ephesians 4:11-12

“And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; “

The believer has been well provided for!


20 posted on 08/05/2025 11:16:14 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ LIFE )
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