Posted on 02/24/2025 1:01:28 PM PST by Az Joe
Yes, and the Soviets are long gone, and so is their communist ideology. Russia is a vibrant free market growing economy with a Christian ethos.
Patton wanted Russia and MacArthur wanted China. We should have listened.
sigh. yes the USSR is gone thanks to the great RR and the faith, industry, patience and diligence of the American people who elected him. according to the Bible, Russia will be here long after America goes into the history books for the last time. it will play greatly in the end times.
however, in this thread i was talking about Soviet Russia as an enemy ‘of my enemy is a so called friend’ in the time of Patton at the end of WWII.
having studied the history and having learned from my uncles and dad about the times when they served in Europe and Asia, i stand by my original comment in this thread.
but have the last word if you want. don’t think there’s anything to gain here except that i think you and i are talking at cross purposes here.
It wasn’t a single speech. But rather a series of speeches he gave across England prior to them crossing. The “speech” that most people refer to was an amalgamation of the various talks, re-written by Coppola for the movie.
RR summed it up best when he said the USSR is an ‘evil empire.’
When Reagan toured the Soviet Union after he left the White House, he was asked if he still thought the Soviet Union was the “Evil Empire”, and he replied emphatically, “No!”
In the light of 70+ proxy wars with Russia, my armchair surmising is that if the West had provided humanitarian aid but, not so much military material that Germany became an advancing army which conquered Berlin first,
and instead the West worked to ensure that satanic Stalin would be tied up with German while the West took over the the rest,
and if FDR had not been so seemingly charmed by "Uncle Joe,
then Stalin would have been deprived of many German scientists, and much of his lust for territory denied, besides being required to return GI's he allegedly kept.
This long commentary - if even quoted accurately - distills all the magnificent strengths, and atrocious weaknesses of Patton, that contributed to him being such a tragic figure. Probably right about a war with Russia, but it was a complete impossibility at that time. And his racial comments about Russians are not only gutter and offensive, but historically ignorant, especially for a self-avowed student of history.
Stats from even before Ukraine much testify to the opposite. I would very likely be arrested for evangelizing with the actual ancient basic Christian gospel. Getting riskier here.
Physical geographers draw the line along the Ural Mountains to the Ural River to the Caspian Sea to the Caucasus Mountains.
Do social geographers draw it another way?
in 1988, President Ronald Reagan, while walking through Red Square and the Kremlin in Moscow, declared that the Cold War with the Soviet Union had ended. Reagan’s reflections came in the final year of his presidency during a largely ceremonial summit meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.Asked by a reporter on the Kremlin grounds about the famous “evil empire” speech of 1983, Reagan responded: “I was talking about another time, another era.” Nevertheless, the two sides failed to make any substantial progress on strategic arms control issues that would have led to further reductions in their nuclear weapons’ stockpiles. Their meetings had also gotten off to a rocky start as Reagan lectured Gorbachev about the need to improve the Soviet Union’s human rights record.
At a subsequent farewell news conference, Reagan said the four-day summit, which marked his only visit to the Soviet capital, had accomplished “a good deal of important work” and that he had found his less formal contacts with the Soviet people “deeply moving.’”
Reagan’s news conference, held at Spaso House, the American ambassador’s residence, lasted 40 minutes, in contrast to a two-hour session conducted by Gorbachev at the Kremlin, who, at age 57, was 20 years Reagan’s junior.
Reagan repeated his frequent observation that “a great deal” of the credit for the changes now taking place in the Soviet Union belonged to Gorbachev. And he voiced surprise that the Russians have, in recent years, been “willing to enter negotiations with us” on a range of issues, from arms control to regional conflicts.
At the end of the news conference, when a reporter shouted a question asking what he had learned here, Reagan replied: “I’m going to do one answer because I’ve wanted to say this, and I say it any time I get a chance. I think that one of the most wonderful forces for stability and good that I have seen in the Soviet Union are the Russian women.” - https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/31/reagan-gorbachev-summit-in-moscow-ends-may-31-1988-238938
RR was certainly a visionary. somehow he had his fingers on the great sweep and pulse of history.
Spoken like a true globalist!
Most of the Russian economy is based on state-owned or controlled extractive industries.
The US comparatively lives off the sweat of its privately employed brows.
My dad was a MSG with the 7th Armor. He followed Patton from Normandy to VE day. The 7th ended up attached to the Brits after the confusion of the Battle of the Bulge. Their tracks ended up on the Baltic in may of 1945. He attested to the fact that they traded arty and tank shots with the Russians in what were many “accidental friendly fire” incidents. He also said that there was no hesitation when it came to returning the frequent Russian “accidents”.
Whooo boy. That’s a whopper right there.
The Soviets are anything but long gone. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the second-largest party in the Duma, just for one example.
Patton was a bastard and an a**hole, but he knew how to win, and how to motivate his men to victory.
You are basing that assessment on what, exactly?
Bkmk
"I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and is an all-out son of..."
Yep, he's one to talk.
I know clan Buttons would be nothing without one Russian in our family tree. A Russian can pull a locomotive, eat rocks, and take hard times by the horns and twist it so vigorously that the rest of us won't need a paycheck for generations. I totally recommend Mongol genes! :)
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