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'Terrible and dangerous': Federal cuts threaten critical Tahoe avalanche forecasting service
SF Gate ^ | February 14, 2025 | By Julie Brown Davis

Posted on 02/14/2025 5:53:54 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Socon-Econ
The Tahoe area is visited by skiers from the entire nation in winter, not just local skiers.

The location is still local. I don't ski. Those that do can pay for it in lift fees or hotel accommodations or, etc...pay to play or don't play.

41 posted on 02/14/2025 6:44:24 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust! Long live the Republic.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Explain to me why a welder in Pittsburgh should send tax money for this and it shouldn’t be paid for by the people who run the ritzy ski resorts and their customers.

It is paid for by the "ritzy" ski resorts and their customers. Lake Tahoe is a net positive and brings in revenue from visitors all over the country and the world - sending millions in tax revenue to the states and the Feds.

Pittsburgh has been a net negative for decades and continues to worsen.

42 posted on 02/14/2025 6:44:44 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: Carry_Okie
I see no reason why people in Florida should be subsidizing skiing in California and Nevada.

For the same reason people in California and Nevada subsidize Florida tourism.

43 posted on 02/14/2025 6:46:15 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: mikey_hates_everything
If the snow is on federal land where recreational activities occur, then yes. Otherwise, it's a local responsibility.

Then the reverse would be true. If the Feds didn't pay for bi-state weather forecasting critical to an industry, that industry and all attached to it should be able to withhold all Federal taxes, including income taxes. We'd have to go back prior to the Whiskey Rebellion to sort that out as it would be repeated all over the country.

44 posted on 02/14/2025 6:50:06 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: Carry_Okie

“I see no reason why people in Florida should be subsidizing skiing in California and Nevada.”

Skiing is a fine sport. I’m glad people can enjoy it. Used to do a bit of cross country skiing myself. But I see no reason for the federal government to subsidize ski resorts or other recreational skiing. Where recreational skiing is economically valuable, states and localities can pay to make it a safer activity and economically viable.

Skiing is simply not something that federal tax collectors with guns should take money from Florida or Louisiana residents to pay for. If it is, show me where it’s in the Constitution.


45 posted on 02/14/2025 6:50:45 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: T.B. Yoits
For the same reason people in California and Nevada subsidize Florida tourism.

Give it up. It's unconstitutional, but more importantly, returning these responsibilities to the States will allow competition to do a better job of culling the overhead.

46 posted on 02/14/2025 6:51:16 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: dfwgator

Well the Tahoe Basin is very large so I don’t two or three can handle the job, but the question is did their funding get cut? Most of the California side is National Park and I don’t think the Park Service funding for, other than DEI and other BS, has been cut, or cut permanently. I seem to recall most everything was paused pending review and I think safety is something that will continue to receive funding.


47 posted on 02/14/2025 6:51:47 AM PST by Mastador1
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Here is an idea, let California and Nevada share the cost and pay for it themselves.


48 posted on 02/14/2025 6:52:56 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I’ll take a wait and see...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Two guys and a snowmobile. It’s a state item.


49 posted on 02/14/2025 6:54:59 AM PST by lurk (u)
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To: Carry_Okie
With very few exceptions, the mountains holding that snow are within their respective States.

...and that snow also blocks a significant part of the Interstate Highway System, especially Route 80 and the infamous Donner Pass. Twelve feet of a snow is nothing to dismiss.

What people don't want to accept is that "fun" industries such as skiing and snowboarding get support like "hard" industries such as drilling, mining, and manufacturing do. It's about jobs, revenue, tax revenue, etc.

If not for the winter tourism industry in many of these places, they'd be like Appalachia or inner cities. Supporting such winter tourism yields a positive return on investment.

50 posted on 02/14/2025 6:57:12 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Here is an idea, let California and Nevada share the cost and pay for it themselves.

...and then let them keep all the revenue for themselves instead of sharing it with other states.

When Teddy Roosevelt correctly put large portions of that area under Federal protection, he stopped large-scale stripping of it. Conversely, those states are right to expect something in return.

If you want a Redwood tree to be there for you and your grandchildren, there will be a cost.

51 posted on 02/14/2025 7:01:17 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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...and that snow also blocks a significant part of the Interstate Highway System, especially Route 80 and the infamous Donner Pass. Twelve feet of a snow is nothing to dismiss.

So? The Feds don't run the snow plows.

52 posted on 02/14/2025 7:03:10 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70
Skiing is simply not something that federal tax collectors with guns should take money from Florida or Louisiana residents to pay for. If it is, show me where it’s in the Constitution.

The same was said about Whiskey in 1791 and we know how that turned out.

It's not about skiing, it's about tax revenue from an industry.

53 posted on 02/14/2025 7:08:28 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: Carry_Okie
So? The Feds don't run the snow plows.

Prior to the Interstate Highway System, States had little incentive to work with each other, at the detriment of other states as a whole.

Gas taxes and toll revenue are paid to maintain the highway system in order to pull tax revenue from goods and services traveling along such roads and within towns and cities supported by it.

Removing support for an interstate system is a great leap backwards.

54 posted on 02/14/2025 7:13:21 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits
Removing support for an interstate system is a great leap backwards.

Then write an Amendment and get 3/4 of the States to raify it.

55 posted on 02/14/2025 7:18:38 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Backcountry skiing is like cave diving. Do it at your own risk. Why should it cost a taxpayer a penny?


56 posted on 02/14/2025 7:20:29 AM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Free ride off the backs of everyone else is over. Play in the snow at your risk. Think of how you are supporting the environment by implementing natural selection!


57 posted on 02/14/2025 7:54:09 AM PST by bobbo666
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To: dfwgator

The resorts know more about this than the federal gov.
Total waste of $$$


58 posted on 02/14/2025 7:56:47 AM PST by Zathras
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To: rktman; dfwgator

Folks can just use my new app - AvaLert. Once an avalanche starts, skiers phones will show the location of each skier on a map, and the red dots will each be a tumbling skier. Other folks will be able to determine which runs to avoid.

I’m working on my next app, LavaLert.


59 posted on 02/14/2025 8:06:45 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How many actual people ski “out of bounds” who 1.) would consider any of these “forecasts” and 2.) ever be effected by not having them.

Miniscule. 10’s of people. This “federal cut” is about a whole LOT else being taken out of this idiotic special grift that is someone’s fiefdom.


60 posted on 02/14/2025 8:16:49 AM PST by John S Mosby ( Sic Semper Tyrannis )
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