Posted on 10/05/2024 9:59:32 AM PDT by BenLurkin
I don't think that is true. The immune system is fully developed by the time you are in your early teens.
The Chinese have a whole virus covid vaccine.
I think we didn’t use whole virus because of problems when it was tried for the original SARS outbreak of 2002-2003.
A whole virus vaccine was attempted for SARS-1, and while it did generate antibodies the test animals would die when challenged by the wild virus. The attempt was eventually dropped since SARS-1 ceased circulating on its own by 2004
Interesting.
The Covid vaccine *is* an actual vaccine.
The reason a vaccine was not developed with real viruses is, in part, because of the time involved. By the time a virus can be grown in sufficient quantity to make a vaccine, the circulating virus might mutate significantly, making the vaccine less effective. (This happens during manufacture of influenza vaccine all the time.) If you take a newly emerged strain of the virus and try to reformulate a vaccine to counter it, by the time you have made and tested the vaccine, it might not match the circulating virus very well at all.
On the other hand, it's simple to update an mRNA vaccine. All you need is the sequence of the spike protein gene, and you can make the entire mRNA in the lab, no virus needed. This makes production of mRNA based vaccines much safer than production of vaccine with viruses. You need high biosafety levels to work with live viruses, but to work with E. coli bacteria (used in production of mRNA vaccines) requires only minimal biosafety containment.
I'll point out here that a vaccine made from coronavirus would contain more RNA than the mRNA vaccine. This is because the coronavirus contains genes for 29 different proteins in its RNA. The mRNA vaccine only has the gene for one protein.
You didn't see my tagline? After I got a STEM PhD, I applied my education to the study of infectious diseases, more specifically, countermeasures to infectious disease--vaccines, antibiotics, and antivirals. This is literally what I did for decades.
Glad you recognize that I seem to be some kind of expert, anyway.
CDC has already walked back their Covid BS. I’m sure eventually, you will as well.
Impressive technology, no doubt. But what I’m trying to figure out is why hasn’t an actual vaccine been developed using dead viruses?
That is correct, you did not say that. What you said was this: Pneumonia is particularly deadly after a covid injection...
Which is equally false.
Someone who has been injected with the serum or boosters has a increased chance of death due to pneumonia or sudden heart failure due to the damage the vaccines and boosters do to ones immune system...
Vaccines and boosters do nothing to the immune system. They can't do anything because they are inert materials. On the other hand, the immune system does a lot to vaccines and boosters. It attacks them. It analyzes them. It makes antibodies that specifically recognize and attack them. And when antivaxxers try to scare the daylights out of you about the effects of vaccines, what they are really doing is trying to scare you about your immune system's natural function.
One of my perfectly healthy grandsons, age 38, standing in the middle of a bunch of his friends, without warning instantly paid the ultimate price, 13 months ago...
I'm sorry about your grandson. It sounds like he might have been a victim of SADS (sudden arrhythmia death syndrome). SADS has always been a top killer, but thanks to research, the death rate of SADS has dropped in the last few decades. Here is an organization dedicated to fighting SADS: SADS Foundation - About Us. They offer support to people who have Lost a Loved One.
I've known people who have died of SADS, as well. A fifty year old man who seemed perfectly healthy until the day he dropped dead, and a newlywed 29 year old postdoc whose husband found her dead on the kitchen floor. Both of these deaths occurred years before Covid came along.
I already explained the reasons why actual viruses were not used in favor of newer technology that actually gets the vaccines out faster and is safer for those producing the vaccines.
The reason no one is working on a virus based vaccine is because the mRNA vaccines work so well and are highly adaptable. There is no reason to go back to the older technology. It seems to me that any vaccine developer trying to put an old technology-based Covid vaccine on the market would have a lot of disadvantages. They'd always be a step behind when it comes to updating the vaccines, yet their development costs would be just as high.
Viruses come in several “varieties.”
Some of them replicate themselves cleanly from one generation to the next. These are the viruses that can be “defeated” through vaccination. This is because the dna of the virus is the same, from generation to generation. The vaccine that worked against small pox 50 years ago, would work today.
Corona viruses are not that type. They are bad replicators. This means that the process where they replicate will vary a lot from “generation to generation.” They are literally a moving target. There has NEVER been a vaccine for a coronavirus that has been very effective over time. The virus today has mutated from the Covid 19 version. And the coronavirus next year will be different than this years.
The thing about corona viruses is that they degrade from one generation to the next. Until they happen to hit on the right spikes that fit into a human cell. When they occur in nature, their mutations are pretty random. MOST of the viruses that replicate human cells are so defective, they just die or get attacked by white blood cells.
It is likely there will never be an effective coronavirus vaccine. We will have to settle for “pretty good.” Or just trust our systems will fight them into submission.
What a crock of crap!
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