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Germany gets tired of hydrogen and unveils its new engine: It runs on something better, and 95% less emissions
EcoNews ^ | 1/8/24 | Edwin O.

Posted on 08/03/2024 4:18:04 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

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But I thought there were no emissions with hydrogen, just the risk of really big explosions.
1 posted on 08/03/2024 4:18:04 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

Methanol contains carbon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol

Somebody (them or me), missed something in Organic Chemistry.

Why not burn the hydrogen directly?
(Yeah. I know)


2 posted on 08/03/2024 4:25:12 PM PDT by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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To: Eleutheria5
Methanol, which can be synthesized to obtain carbonless, green hydrogen.

Excuse me?

3 posted on 08/03/2024 4:28:06 PM PDT by cockroach_magoo (No one is above the law, but some are more above the law than others.)
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To: Eleutheria5

cow pharts


4 posted on 08/03/2024 4:28:39 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (What is the cost of lies?)
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To: William of Barsoom
"Why not burn the hydrogen directly?"

Here's one you haven't heard: Even when compressed to 10,000 psi, Hydrogen occupies 7 times the volume of gasoline that has the same energy content. This 7x size doesn't include the tanks to hold the hydrogen at 10,000 psi. The gasoline fits in odd shaped containers tucked into corners of the chassis. The hydrogen must be stored in round pressure tanks. In an accident, you don't call them pressure tanks, you call them bombs.

5 posted on 08/03/2024 4:33:27 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Freud: projection is a defense mechanism of those struggling with inferiority complexes)
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To: Eleutheria5

Hydrogen requires fuel to be split from O2 in water


6 posted on 08/03/2024 4:35:04 PM PDT by Vaquero (In Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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To: Eleutheria5

I’m getting to the point where I’m not sure it’s even worth responding to this kind of drivel. Terms like Supply and infrastructure mean nothing to these fantasy driven idiots


7 posted on 08/03/2024 4:37:59 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ("If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there")
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To: Eleutheria5

Still trying to harness unicorn farts in order to appease Gaia.


8 posted on 08/03/2024 4:40:22 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Eleutheria5

I knew a guy that bought 20 barrels of racing car fuel at an auction. He was able to mix it with regular gas and turn it into a high octane fuel.

He saved a lot of money for awhile.


9 posted on 08/03/2024 4:41:56 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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To: Eleutheria5

Hydrogen coming from ammonia is produced when it’s needed

Very little hydrogen would be available to ‘explode’


10 posted on 08/03/2024 4:43:05 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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That’s nice. Where’s the ammonia coming from?

Ammonia has been used in Farm refrigeration for a very long time.

When released, it is very toxic. Can be fatal.

Also known to explode when released in the right conditions - indoors or confined space.


11 posted on 08/03/2024 4:48:36 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: norwaypinesavage
"Why not burn the hydrogen directly?"

Here's one you haven't heard: Even when compressed to 10,000 psi, Hydrogen occupies 7 times the volume of gasoline that has the same energy content. This 7x size doesn't include the tanks to hold the hydrogen at 10,000 psi. The gasoline fits in odd shaped containers tucked into corners of the chassis. The hydrogen must be stored in round pressure tanks. In an accident, you don't call them pressure tanks, you call them bombs.

I think the op had the right idea.

have you ever heard of LOHC?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_organic_hydrogen_carriers < /a>

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ente.202301042> /a>

12 posted on 08/03/2024 4:48:59 PM PDT by algore
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"Methanol, which can be synthesized to obtain carbonless, green hydrogen."

Technical editing has gone to Hell this century.
13 posted on 08/03/2024 4:49:56 PM PDT by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: William of Barsoom

“Why not burn the hydrogen directly?”

Hydrogen is not easily used as a dual-fuel with diesel.


14 posted on 08/03/2024 4:54:18 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Except that Elon musk splits water at his desalination plant and then combines it with CO2 from the atmosphere to make methane for his rockets. Think that model will scale?


15 posted on 08/03/2024 4:55:11 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Except that Elon musk splits water at his desalination plant and then combines it with CO2 from the atmosphere to make methane for his rockets. Think that model will scale?


16 posted on 08/03/2024 4:55:12 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“I’m getting to the point where I’m not sure it’s even worth responding to this kind of drivel. Terms like Supply and infrastructure mean nothing to these fantasy driven idiots”

GEEZ! They have addressed supply and infrastructure! These are dual-fuel systems.


17 posted on 08/03/2024 5:06:45 PM PDT by TexasGator
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Germany? Methanol?

How long before the U.S. blows up that pipeline?

18 posted on 08/03/2024 5:15:37 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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Methane fuel? Will that smell like a BAD fart?


19 posted on 08/03/2024 5:28:28 PM PDT by oldasrocks
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“To achieve the same energy content as gasoline, a methanol fuel tank needs to be approximately 2.5 times larger. This is due to methanol’s lower energy density compared to gasoline.”

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/gasoline-vs-methanol-how-much-ZLjoysDSSdWZNt.GvPkzwg


20 posted on 08/03/2024 5:47:37 PM PDT by dennisw
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