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Why Can’t we Admit Age is a (Biologically) Meaningful Number?
Bioethics Today ^ | 07/25/2024 | Raiany Romanni

Posted on 07/27/2024 9:24:07 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina

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To: alexander_busek

I don’t recognize the difference, no. Both involve resource allocation with the intent to idealize the human race. They are related topics, imo.


21 posted on 07/28/2024 10:15:31 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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I don’t recognize the difference, no. Both involve resource allocation with the intent to idealize the human race.

No, except in its most extreme form - which even the Nazis never openly advocated - euthanasia (sometimes referred to as "mercy killing") does not have the goal of improving the gene pool of the species.

In contrast, the specific goal of eugenics is the improvement of the gene pool - which can't be attained by murdering old people.

In the context of "old people (long past reproductive age) burdening society and consuming societal resources," any mention of "eugenics" is misplaced and distracting.

I don’t recognize the difference, no. Both involve resource allocation with the intent to idealize the human race.

There is a profound difference!

Yes: "Eugenics" pertains to the "idealization" of the human race (by improving the gene pool).

And yes: "Euthanasia" pertains to the optimization of resource allocation.

But those are two separate topics.

In the context of a discussion of "age" and "old people as a burden upon society," there is NO overlap between these two topics (unless someone seriously advocates killing [genetically unfit] oldsters in order to prevent them from reproducing).

Regards,

22 posted on 07/28/2024 10:37:31 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

I disagree. The left is all about improving the human race, by eliminating unfits. Even today, when a liberal comments on their opponents education or apparent intelligence, he is weighing your fitness as human being. Even Star Trek had an underlying theme of a perfected human race. They just didn’t dwell on how the human race was perfected.

They are related. Eliminating unproductive human beings is more than just resource allocation. It is about who is fit and unfit as well.


23 posted on 07/28/2024 11:04:25 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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You can widen the scope of any discussion so as to include as many tangential or even almost entirely unrelated themes as possible.

Generally speaking, that is a very unproductive tactic.

Eliminating unproductive human beings is more than just resource allocation. It is about who is fit and unfit as well.

Only if they are of reproductive age. The conversation at hand is about elders - presumably no longer of child-bearing age. The introduction of "eugenics" is thus spurious and non-productive.

Best regards,

24 posted on 07/28/2024 11:14:49 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Euthanasia and Eugenics are not unrelated, because both have to do with improving the human race. I don’t know why you can’t see killing old people, who are unproductive, and letting old people, who are productive, to live doesn’t have to do with improving the human race.

From birth to death, every human in a liberal socialist world, will be measured for their worth and allowed to live or be killed. Not every old person will be prematurely, if they are capable of earning their worth.

It is not just about killing old people. It’s about killing old people who are no longer able to keep up. Those who can keep up will be allowed to live. That’s how it works.


25 posted on 07/28/2024 11:18:55 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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