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Kremlin says any Trump peace plan for Ukraine would have to reflect reality on the ground
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Posted on 06/25/2024 10:13:11 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

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To: Kazan

I don’t think so. If Ukraine surrendered all there territory tomorrow, he’d be fine. But maybe it would be better for him if that happened after the election.


41 posted on 06/25/2024 11:52:25 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: adorno
No, the aggressors (the Ukrainian nationalists funded by our political class) have lost.

In a just world, you don't get to foment and engage in illegal coups and kick out the victims of your aggression and take their homes and land.

42 posted on 06/25/2024 11:52:57 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: nickcarraway
If Ukraine surrendered all there territory tomorrow, he’d be fine.

The Biden regime wanted this war. It never had anything to do with Ukraine. It was also meant to be proxy war against Russia.

You are completely clueless about the plans of the political class.

43 posted on 06/25/2024 11:54:43 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
That is the usual Russian bargaining stance. In response, a Trump administration could announce a tightening of sanctions on Russia, including further seizure of Russian assets so that they are available as compensation to Ukraine for lost territory. If Russia wants to make wartime measures permanent, the US and NATO will take Russian wealth and market access and make those losses permanent.
44 posted on 06/25/2024 11:56:05 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Kazan
No, the aggressors (the Ukrainian nationalists funded by our political class) have lost.

Sure the Ukrainians, who were invaded are the "aggressors". Liberal double speak

45 posted on 06/25/2024 12:02:41 PM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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To: Kazan

Biden is going to lose and Putin is crapping himself. Notice how the Kremlin put out their demands right before this week’s debate?


46 posted on 06/25/2024 12:07:30 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: irishjuggler

Not really, Code Pink, The Democratic Socialists of America, The libertarian Party, the Green Party, they are still against Ukraine resisting, and since we aren’t in a war ourselves, there can’t be any great passion about it.


47 posted on 06/25/2024 12:09:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: adorno

“ Putin is saying…”

Begging.

Putin can be bought off. He’ll take personal payment over land.


48 posted on 06/25/2024 12:18:49 PM PDT by ifinnegan (MDemocrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Kazan
In a just world, you don't get to foment and engage in illegal coups and kick out the victims of your aggression and take their homes and land.

What world do you live in?

You sound like a democrat, who points fingers at others accusing them of what a democrat does.

The clear aggressors in Ukraine are the Russians, and the Ukrainians are the clear victims of an invasion.
49 posted on 06/25/2024 12:31:44 PM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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50 posted on 06/25/2024 12:45:01 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: tlozo

These areas had been in armed conflict since 2014 with Ukraine, and there were many casualties on both sides.


51 posted on 06/25/2024 12:45:15 PM PDT by elpadre
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To: FlyingEagle
When Trump ends this insane Biden proxy war, you won’t have anything to cheerleader post about.

Another added benefit if Trump wins. No more excessive zeep-yapping.

Neither Trump nor Zelensky are likely in favor of Trump winning, but you’re right. He’ll put a stop to this hemorrhaging of human lives and the associated fraud, waste and abuse on both sides.

52 posted on 06/25/2024 12:52:44 PM PDT by Allegra (Toss a zeeper in the Dnieper)
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To: irishjuggler

“Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.”

This make no sense. Only the Russians and some crazy Muslims are at war with everyone else in the modern world.


53 posted on 06/25/2024 1:01:43 PM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: elpadre
These areas had been in armed conflict since 2014 with Ukraine

Right, its "these areas" that were in conflict with Ukraine. No Russians entered Ukraine in 2014. Okay

In April 2014, armed conflict began in eastern Ukraine between Russian-backed separatists and Ukraine. On 12 April, a fifty-man unit of pro-Russian militants seized the towns of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. The heavily armed men were Russian Armed Forces "volunteers" under the command of former GRU colonel Igor Girkin ('Strelkov'). They had been sent from Russian-occupied Crimea and wore no insignia. Girkin said that this action sparked the Donbas War. He said "I'm the one who pulled the trigger of war. If our unit hadn't crossed the border, everything would have fizzled out"

As conflict between the separatists and the Ukrainian government escalated in May, Russia began to employ a "hybrid approach", combining disinformation tactics, irregular fighters, regular Russian troops, and conventional military support.[99][100][101] The First Battle of Donetsk Airport followed the Ukrainian presidential elections. It marked a turning point in conflict; it was the first battle between the separatists and the Ukrainian government that involved large numbers of Russian "volunteers".[102][103]: 15  According to Ukraine, at the height of the conflict in the summer of 2014, Russian paramilitaries made up between 15% and 80% of the combatants.[87] From June Russia trickled in arms, armor, and munitions.

In response to the deteriorating situation, Russia abandoned its hybrid approach, and began a conventional invasion on 25 August 2014.[114][116] On the following day, the Russian Defence Ministry said these soldiers had crossed the border "by accident".[117][118][119] According to Nikolai Mitrokhin's estimates, by mid-August 2014 during the Battle of Ilovaisk, between 20,000 and 25,000 troops were fighting in the Donbas on the separatist side, and only 40–45% were "locals"

54 posted on 06/25/2024 1:06:37 PM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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To: Allegra
He’ll put a stop to this hemorrhaging of human lives and the associated fraud, waste and abuse on both sides.

Yup, and China will approve.

55 posted on 06/25/2024 1:07:37 PM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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To: tlozo

Ewww. Take your anti-Trump, pro-Biden, war-loving death cult nastiness out of here.

You disgust me. Seriously.


56 posted on 06/25/2024 1:11:43 PM PDT by Allegra (Toss a zeeper in the Dnieper)
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To: Allegra
Neither Trump nor Zelensky are likely in favor of Trump winning,

LOL, put down the bottle, you've had enough.

57 posted on 06/25/2024 1:13:04 PM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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Neither Putin nor Zelensky are likely in favor of Trump winning, but Trump will put a stop to this hemorrhaging of human lives and the associated fraud, waste and abuse on both sides.


58 posted on 06/25/2024 1:14:21 PM PDT by Allegra (Toss a zeeper in the Dnieper)
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To: tlozo

You’re insane. You’re screeching about China because I posted that Trump will end this wasteful war. The thought of the war and all of its bloodshed and destruction not to mention the overwhelming graft gets you all upset, doesn’t it? As I said, you disgust me.

Don’t post to me again, you vile leftist troll.


59 posted on 06/25/2024 1:18:02 PM PDT by Allegra (Toss a zeeper in the Dnieper)
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To: Allegra
You’re insane. You’re screeching about China because I posted that Trump will end this wasteful war.

Resulting in Russia gaining territory in a war of aggression, which is an example to China. Its why Taiwan is one of the most vocal supporters of Ukraine.

Bi-khim Hsiao, Taiwan’s de facto ambassador to the United States, said Tuesday that Ukraine’s success in defending itself against Russia’s invasion, with the help of the United States and other nations, is important for deterring China from trying to invade Taiwan, a democratic island that the Chinese government considers part of its territory.

“I think pushing back on aggression is the key message that will help to deter any consideration or miscalculation that an invasion can be conducted unpunished, without costs, in a rapid way,” Ms. Hsiao told reporters over a breakfast organized by The Christian Science Monitor. “We must ensure that anyone contemplating the possibility of an invasion understands that, and that is why Ukraine’s success in defending against aggression is so important also for Taiwan.”

60 posted on 06/25/2024 1:22:37 PM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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