Posted on 05/12/2024 2:11:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
now that’s a real physician, imho, a thinking man’s doctor. very impressed with his (Willowby’s) willingness to take a very calculated risk, where probably no additional harm could be done to this patient, who was likely dying without the intervention. i think Hippocrates would have been pleased with this doctor. i hope other doctors are learning from this one.
Bump
You know the old saying: What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger..
“ Giese’s parents took her to St. Agnes Hospital in Fond du Lac. Once there, doctors tested her for meningitis and Lyme Disease among many other conditions. All of the tests came back negative. The doctors were stumped as to why Giese was so sick.”
The parents never mentioned the bat bite?
Gee, thankfully he wasn't trying Ivermectin on a Covid patient.
/sarc
This was, and remains, a very interesting case. It also remains, as far as I know, unique.
If you or anyone else has a documented rabies exposure - get the vaccine.
wondering how long her list is. mine is long. VERY long.
Her parents sound like idiots.
Know of a case where a guy was bit by a rabid dog but the lab made a mistake and the test came back negative
It was not a good thing. Rabies is a very scary way to go
thanks for the post.
read the article and it’s ‘evidence’ is another very flimsy retrospective study, imho. very skimpy on data. they say there’s no clinical trials supporting the ‘efficacy’ of the Milwaukee protocol, but how could there be since rabies is so rare, but we’re only talking about 30 or so patients over their period of study which was 9 years 2005-2014. they make this hard conclusion against the results 2 survivors in 29, which is 1 in 15 (or 1 in 10 if they put back the other survivors they discount) for the claim of a 100% fatal disease, that is not bad. (they also discount survivors who get past the initial disease but die later from something else for no reason at all, imho.)
so all of this (low survival even with the protocol) not surprising given that the age of the survivor in the story is 15. so very young. i would suspect the older patients would have less chance of survival just on general principal. we also don’t have enough experience with this treatment. only 30 patients and they say get rid of it. ridiculous.
so they only had only 29 total patients over Europe and N. American patients which they claim were treated with major components of the Milwaukee protocol, even with that, they admitted 2 out of 29 survived in there study, but then they went on and questioned the diagnosis of rabies based on testing for antibodies. are you kidding me? i smell Big Med agenda in this ‘study.’
To contrast, i’ll post Willoughby’s paper which they referenced, give them credit. it has much more the ring of truth than theirs above, imho. 76 days in the hospital. no picnic even for a 15 year old. not surprised that survival would be problematic for an older adult. the above paper really needs to stratify statistically on younger patients with a lot more data, before they make the kind of conclusion they made.
Survival after treatment of rabies with induction of coma
Rodney E Willoughby Jr 1, Kelly S Tieves, George M Hoffman, Nancy S Ghanayem, Catherine M Amlie-Lefond, Michael J Schwabe, Michael J Chusid, Charles E Rupprecht
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PMID: 15958806 DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa050382
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Abstract
We report the survival of a 15-year-old girl in whom clinical rabies developed one month after she was bitten by a bat. Treatment included induction of coma while a native immune response matured; rabies vaccine was not administered. The patient was treated with ketamine, midazolam, ribavirin, and amantadine. Probable drug-related toxic effects included hemolysis, pancreatitis, acidosis, and hepatotoxicity. Lumbar puncture after eight days showed an increased level of rabies antibody, and sedation was tapered. Paresis and sensory denervation then resolved. The patient was removed from isolation after 31 days and discharged to her home after 76 days. At nearly five months after her initial hospitalization, she was alert and communicative, but with choreoathetosis, dysarthria, and an unsteady gait.
“Being an animal lover, Giese asked her mother if she could pick the bat up and take it outside. Her mother gave her the OK.”
Great job mom!
They gave her permission to carry a crazy bat outside. And then forgot to mention that factoid to the doctor.
got some real Mensa candidates here.
Not to mention that once symptoms appear it’s 100% fatal. So there is realistically no downside to trying the protocol, unless someone has a better idea someday. Sedation, antivirals and roll the dice. Very little else anyone knows to do.
That struck me as pretty odd also, and don’t these people know that bats spread rabies? Letting the girl pick up a bat that’s flying around during the day is not the brightest idea. She is lucky to be alive, it is one horrible way to go.
The doctor in this case was 1 for 1. That’s 100% success!
Why do they call it a vaccine when you get it post infection?
My grandmother got bit by a rabid fox while living in Grants Pass OR, in the 1905-1910 range. They had to haul her to Oakland/SF area to a doctor.. and quickly.
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