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New York And California Getting Totally Lost With Energy Storage
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 8 Mar, 2024 | Francis Menton

Posted on 03/09/2024 4:36:07 AM PST by MtnClimber

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To: MtnClimber
Also, energy storage is inefficient. Lots of energy is lost to heat, both charging and discharging.
Which is also true for EV's but somehow rarely mentioned.
I bet charging EV's will not be allowed during an outage.

21 posted on 03/09/2024 6:18:10 AM PST by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: MtnClimber

They want to put the Battery Bomb plant 1 mile away from my houses, but we should be gone by years end, so I hope they all enjoy the explosions and fires.


22 posted on 03/09/2024 6:24:16 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Jonty30

“They are forging ahead quickly because they don’t know how long they have to run this scam.”
Yep, the natives are starting to get restless.


23 posted on 03/09/2024 6:40:56 AM PST by wjcsux (On 3/14/1883 Karl Marx gave humanity his best gift, he died. )
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To: MtnClimber

The report:
https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2022/11/Menton-Energy-Storage-Conundrum.pdf


24 posted on 03/09/2024 6:47:14 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: MtnClimber

MtnClimber wrote: “Electricity is something too important for the government not to ration it.”

The green plan is this: we will be forced to get by on however much electricity can be produced by renewables. Each person, each business will get a ration. Anyone exceeding their ration will be punished.

You won’t be forced into moving into government approved housing but it will cost too much of your energy ration not to, to remain in your suburban or rural housing.
Nor will you be forced to use public mass transit exclusively but it will cost too much of your energy ration not too.
Wash, rinse, repeat.


25 posted on 03/09/2024 6:52:47 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: MtnClimber
Simple calculations are the foundation of any thinking engineer. Little ole mund1011 (certainly not just me) easily saw the major lack of thought behind going full bore on EV's. I could have saved Ford, GM, Chrysler, Mercedes Benz, BMW, VW, etc. billions upon billions of dollars by doing one thing. DON'T DO IT. DON'T go there.

There is no infrastructure for power generation / distribution. There is no infrastructure for long term "sustainability"- for the raw materials that the batteries require. There is no infrastructure for recycling the batteries.

Did you ever wonder why Toyota didn't jump into the EV boiling pot of battery acid with all of these other woke OEM's? It's because somewhere inside the leadership of Toyota, they heeded the simple calculations that said, don't do it, at least not yet. Which also means Toyota is not woke.

26 posted on 03/09/2024 7:15:58 AM PST by mund1011 (We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality)
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To: bert
The solution is not batteries but rather capacitors.

Large capacitors are quite amazing... the problem is that they have only about 15% of the energy density of lithium based batteries. But of course, as the author of the article clearly demonstrates lithium based batteries are also not a credible solution for the lunacy related to trying to use solar and wind as our society's primary source of electrical power.

The cost per kWh of storage for super capacitors for energy storage is currently around $10,000. The cost per kWh of storage for a lithium based batteries is estimated to be around $250–$1,000 for a large storage facility. (The $250 figure is highly optimistic) The cost per kWh of storage using water pumped into a reservoir and then using it to power generators later is estimated to be around $105 per kWh. All three of these alternatives are cost prohibitive and have disadvantages not mentioned.

The "solution" is to keep the status quo (coal and natural gas) while trying to bring new forms of power generation such as thorium reactors on-line. China is currently the leading actor in bringing this technology to fruition, but other countries are working on developing this energy source as well.

Normally the left is always lined up against any type of nuclear power, but I have to wonder if the effectiveness of nonstop "climate change" propaganda may be softening their resolve.

27 posted on 03/09/2024 7:16:05 AM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Nuclear


28 posted on 03/09/2024 7:29:53 AM PST by gunnut
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To: gunnut

NUCLEAR

YES, NUCLEAR!


29 posted on 03/09/2024 7:39:28 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose GOD is the LORD. (Psalm 33:12))
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To: MtnClimber

Wouldn’t it be great if we could find an energy source which would allow us to leave it in its original form for storage, so that we could just use it whenever we want?

Wait....


30 posted on 03/09/2024 8:10:13 AM PST by nagant
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To: MtnClimber
"...energy storage — on a vast scale never before contemplated or attempted..."

Actually, it has been tried, successfully. Huntington Lake in California, was kept at "full pool" by Southern California Edison as a source for emergency generation.

Unlike what the Dem Greenies are doing on the Klamath River. Tearing down the Dams, causing Salmon "fish-kill" of a million fish.

When they run out of Wind and Solar; they are SOL. Because they have also "Killed the Hydro".

Maybe they'll discover a new "cottage industry".

Homemade candles.

Put the candle back - Young Frankenstein - Gene Wilder

31 posted on 03/09/2024 8:19:17 AM PST by guest7
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To: MtnClimber

Dam Yosemite. It is too crowded anyway.


32 posted on 03/09/2024 9:14:54 AM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: MtnClimber
It just shows to go:

Hucksters are shameless

Politicians are fools and corrupt

The public are sheeple and stupid

These facilities are mere toys in comparison to what is actually needed. The Musk home emergency battery packs are equally stupid. When tens of hours or days of backup are needed they provide only tens of minutes.

Do you really want one of these bonfires in waiting out in your garage or attached to your house just oxidizing away and preparing to burst into an uncontrollable blast furnace like conflagration? Not me, no thank you.

Even God can't protect us from stupid. Why would He?

33 posted on 03/09/2024 10:40:18 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: MtnClimber

Money is power, paper money is temporary. When they sell power generation, they are talking about the different kind of “POWER” than that which runs lights and industry. They are in a hurry, because “time is short”.


34 posted on 03/09/2024 2:52:50 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: Glad2bnuts

That is EXACTLY the kind of power that the politicians are interested in. If they can ration energy then they control the means of production and that is POWER.


35 posted on 03/09/2024 2:59:33 PM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: MattMusson

It is an insoluble problem, power storage on that level.


36 posted on 03/09/2024 2:59:34 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: fireman15

Our local coal fired power plants are currently being kept online because they are going to use them to generate Hydrogen. I am sure they know why this is a waste of energy and time. SO WHAT? They say, we can make BANK, and say WPPS... as in when they build the cooling towers and control buildings for a certain set of twin Nuclear power plants back in the 80’s.


37 posted on 03/09/2024 3:20:21 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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