Posted on 12/20/2023 9:25:04 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Turkish courts have little respect for the rights of women. He’ll get off easy.
The comply-or-die stories are the extreme of a sick, vindictive selfishness.
I don’t understand why people do that. Total control freaks? Zero impulse control? Massive insecurities? All of the above?
It’s not just Islam, although that system certainly provides inspiration and justification.
If this was supposed to be a romantic relationship, it’s not a match if it’s not mutual.
If the response is to terminate an incompatible match, it might be a red flag to potential dating partners, wouldn’t you think?
Egads.
Assuming that they are Muslims, is anyone surprised?
“Pronounced CHAN-KA-LAY.”
CHAN, as in Charlie CHAN? I don’t think so. There was no “short a” pronunciation. I lived in Turkey and I NEVER heard it pronounced as CHAN, as in Charlie CHAN; I always heard it as CHON, as in rhyming with LONG.
Like Yalova. It was pronounced YAH-LO-VAH, not YA (as in LAD)-LO-VA.
Also, you left out the second syllable AH. You went from CHAN straight to KA. And even the native Turkish speakers included that inflection.
The terminal LAY is probably more correct than the terminal LEE, though I remember hearing it both ways. I guess it depended on who was saying it, and how it sounded to me. A native Turkish speaker rattled it off like lightning (Cok Cibuc?), and at that warp speed my American ear likely couldn’t tell the difference between AY and EE.
My Turkish was CHOKE FINAH (it’s phonetic, and typed on my western keyboard).
It’s been over fifty years.
Or, like Cakmakli (it was pronounced CHAWK-MAWK-LEE). No “short a” as in LAD.
However, if you are a native Turkish speaker I defer to you.
Yes, it is.
I proposed to my wife above a vat of molten steel at a steel foundry.
She said yes.
Smart girl.
ICWYDT...
Some people take no the hard way
Didn’t the first jury find her innocent but they tried her again?
Thanks to Fuzz - I had to look that information up. Yes it is in their constitution “innocent until proven guilty”.
However - I found the following information regarding their system and that trial. The prosecutor and authorities rushed to judgement and also withheld evidence. They released information to the press to paint her in a bad light - jurors are not sequestered.
In the retrial she was found not guilty.
Excerpt:
About 50% of all criminal convictions in Italy are reversed or greatly modified on appeal. Knox and Sollecito join the 4 million Italians since the war who have seen their lives ruined by false criminal charges, only to be proclaimed innocent after many years of agony and imprisonment.
More excerpts:
For a year, Knox and Sollecito were kept in preventive detention – Italy has no bail system – while Mignini, the police, and various forensic experts built the case against them. Crucial evidence that could have exonerated them was lost or mishandled. For example, the hard drive on Sollecito’s computer, which could have shown he was on his computer during the time of the murder, was “fried’’ by investigators as they supposedly tried to copy it.
Salacious, false, and misleading details were leaked to the press, poisoning the atmosphere against Knox and Sollecito. This tactic was particularly effective since jurors in Italy are not sequestered or forbidden from reading and discussing the case while the trial is ongoing. It is a common tactic in Italy, although it is strictly forbidden by the Italian law of segreto istruttorio.
All of this led to the not-surprising conviction of Knox and Sollecito. At the appeal most of the evidence and witnesses were re-examined.
The appeals process in Italy is generally considered to be much fairer than trials of the first degree, and people are not generally considered convicted until they are convicted on appeal. This is why Mignini, even after his conviction for abuse of office, was able to continue prosecuting the case.
While they don’t like others pointing it out, many Italians are well aware that their judicial system is dysfunctional. Silvio Berlusconi is absolutely right when he says the judiciary needs fundamental reform. The Italian judiciary, a holdover to a great extent from the Mussolini era, when Italy was a police state, acts with no checks and balances, in which prosecutors and police wield enormous power.
If you are arrested for a crime and have no alibi, you are in very serious trouble. The de facto burden of proof is on you to prove your innocence, despite lip service in the Italian constitution to the idea of innocent until proven guilty.
Suppose he proposed to her, she said yes, he showed her the ring and said “let’s eat first...then put on the ring. I’ll keep it safe in the box” Then she freaked out...fought with him to get the ring ASAP...in the ensuing struggle, he pushed her very hard...she went over the cliff...
Proposals don’t have to be what is.almost universally described...guy on one knee...offering the ring..women shyly accepting proposal and ring and putting on the ring and admires the rings beauty at arms length. While she holds in a deep happy breath... that’s Disney type nonsense.
Maybe she pulled out a gun and he acted in self defense.
Or maybe she was turning into a werewolf and he was scared.
Or maybe …..
“...that’s Disney type nonsense.”
I don’t recall how long it was when I bought the ring after I had proposed to my wife. (She would though!)
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