Posted on 11/07/2023 8:59:59 PM PST by RandFan
C'mon, get real. The Muskovite Empire included countries like Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, and yes, Ukraine, because they were CONQUERED. They were never willingly a part of Moscow's Empire, Soviet or pre-Soviet. They have their own gene pools and their own languages. One defining factor to make a civil war is that both sides speak the same language.
Sheesh!
That is a True and Factual Statement.
“Sheesh!”
If you take a look at states during our civil war, we had quite a few different languages in every state.
Louisiana was one state in the situation. They had English, French, African, Spanish, mestizo Mexican, and some from the Caribbean. Among the official languages from the west indies are Dutch, English, French, Haitian Creole, Papiamentu, and Spanish. Two of these official languages, Haitian Creole and Papiamentu, are Creole languages still used today in parts of the south east.
Florida was discovered and developed by the Spanish so Spanish was the primary language. They also had the Caribbean mix like Gullah and Geechee along with the Seminole language of Muscogee and they were a slave state with the African languages.
I am niot going to go into the different states but there was, and to this day, is no official language of the US and many are used.
According to Oxford Dictionary a civil war is a war between citizens of the same country. If Russia never accepted the power grab by a number of countries they were in control of at the time the Soviet Union fell, then they are still members of the Russian empire whether those countries call it that or not. It’s exactly the same with the US in 1861.
Your information on the Ukraine existence leaves out a few things. A good article to read on this is this:
This information is researched by the London School of Economics and Political Science. Among their staff are twenty-nine permanent staff members that include nineteen that have doctorates. The rest professors.
And the Kremlin still doesn’t consider the Ukraine anything but land mass belonging to them. And that’s a problem they need to work out without our getting into it and spending more than $75B of taxpayer money to them for their decision to rattle the lion’s cage in 1991.
wy69
What language did the armies of the Confederacy speak? Was it the same as the armies of the North spoke? If it was anything but English, General Lee and Jeff Davis would be mighty, mighty surprised. Not to mention the Scotch-Irish who made up a considerable part of their officer corps and soldiers. Were the Confederate States anything but voluntary members of the USA prior to the War? (Afterward it's arguable, at least to Southerners.)
Only a Muscovite would claim that countries involuntarily overtaken by Moscow lost their unique cultural and linguistic identities thereby, making their battle for freedom a "civil war". The sort of argument a sleazy tort lawyer would dream up.
The territory now known as Ukraine was once called Rus, after Scandinavian trsders using the river systems to trade between the Baltic and the Black Seas. Its' core city was Kiev, when Moscow was a backwater. The Kievan Rus lost a significant portion of their empire in the north to the Mongols, and it's from that event that the Muskovite Empire sprang. Which is why so much of Muskovite culture derives from the Mongols. The name Rus was stolen, (by Catherine the Great herself by one account) to aggrandize Moscow, leaving Kiev and environs to muddle along as Ukraine, a separate people with a separate language. No amount pf prevarication by the London School can change that.
“No amount pf prevarication by the London School can change that.”
Then we have nothing to talk about. You produce nothing but your opinion and I give you qualified people and their sites. If I can’t prove anything to you then you and I don’t need to talk. It’s wasting both our times. And whether I agree with your ideas or not, I don’t make comments directed at you as I’ve spent a lot of my life defending your right to say them. You call the experts liars that have nothing to gain by saying their opinions based upon facts they have researched and call me ridiculous. You border on the line of a troll, not a person wishing to talk about a topic since you already have your mind made up and it can’t be changed without trying to belittle everything and one that doesn’t agree with you. Have a good life.
wy69
You want my entire bibliography? It’ll run to a couple of pages.
Since you seem to prefer online sources over dead tree books, here’s one for you:
https://ricochet.com/1214468/finnish-intelligence-officer-explains-the-russian-mindset/
BTW I rescind my bibliography offer. I looked around and realized it would take me weeks, and involve bringing back a doxen or more cartons of books from my lockup. (My little retirement farmhouse won’t contain everything I’ve read, not by a country mile.)
“Florida was discovered and developed by the Spanish so Spanish was the primary language.”
Not really. There were only a few thousand people in FL when we bought it from Spain.
Apologize for what? Tucker is a crank.
Apologize for what? Tucker is a crank.
Calm down pop. What are you talking about? I think you’re replying to someone else.
Off topic fun fact: Some of my ancestors founded St. Augustine. Take that, pilgrim ancestor braggers!
Florida was under colonial rule by Spain from the 16th century to the 19th century.
And we were talking about dialects. There was a mixture of those even on Spanish alone with the Mexican and Castilian Spanish at the top in those days. But if you mix the African slave and their multitude of dialects from different parts of Africa and the Caribbean mix coming from Cuba, Dominicans and some Spanish, you have quite a mismatch of languages. And don’t forget the French and Dutch who were major players from the islands. And of course, there were English pirates also.
While still in my job, I was sent to Russia for research and found there were over 8600 Russian dialects to their language. So a Russian from Siberia and one from Moscow may need an interpreter. And the Russians do not as a whole speak any of the Ukrainian dialects. Maybe they could talk better if they did.
wy69
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