Too bad you can't pump a battery down a pipeline.
Batteries still suck and are an environmental nightmare.
Flux Capacitors are the way to go.
Posted on 11/04/2023 12:19:12 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
Same. I have a theory on that one. Modern cars have all kinds of gadgets now that draw power all the time, turned off or not. Standard car batteries just weren’t meant to deal with that.
TSLA was a good buy at $20 per share, and will be again.
Or it’s also fun and games until you go on a long trip and end up waiting an hour for a charger and then taking an hour to charge and the repeating this several times OR when you’ve decided you’ve had enough inconvenience and go to trade it in discover the trade in value is about 15% of what you paid.
On batteries how much better can they get? The answer is not much because they’re close to the limits of chemistry and physics now, BUT lithium batteries have an energy density of 0.3 kWh/kg. Gasoline has an energy density of 12.2 kWh/kg. That’s 40 times as much energy per unit weight as a lithium battery. So a 20 gallon gas tank has about 63 kg of gas in it. A lithium battery to match this would have to weigh about 2520 kg or 5,562 lb.
Modern internal combustion cars with all their electronics and multiplicity of features drain electrical power at much greater rates than simpler, older cars. Auto manufacturers won’t admit this, but car batteries are now almost overmatched from mile 1. Not sure how the designed-in interchange with modern alternators (they must be putting out much greater charge/current during normal engine operation) tends to ameliorate this problem, but 12 volt battery technology and performance certainly hasn’t kept pace.
What SS said!
-OGINJ
I’m all for EVs - IF they are not subsidized by government and if ICE vehicles did not have all kinds of onerous mandates on then and gas was not taxed to high-heaven.
Its in no way a “free-market” for these vehicles.
I know a guy who sells tires. He explained that every car tire in its lifetime puts about 20 lbs of synthetic rubber into the air, land, and water just by normal wear/friction while driving.
An EV tire puts out about 3X that amount
Get an Ariel atom just exactly what you specified for a mere $85,000
As long as those of us who have no interest in driving a rolling smart phone are allowed to keep, maintain and operate their low-tech ICE vehicles, I guess the EV fanboys can cheerlead away. Check out Eric Peters Autos for come counterpoint on the EV issue . . .
Too bad you can't pump a battery down a pipeline.
Batteries still suck and are an environmental nightmare.
Flux Capacitors are the way to go.
Being a Luddite never ages well.
I am not going to wade further into the topic right now, but here is a very good safety tip for lithium-ion batteries (LIBs) in your home (you have them) or in the homes of those you love and care about.
IF you have batteries in your garage of any size (EV, battery storage system, tools, etc) I would STRONGLY recommend that you put a CO detector in the garage that you can hear inside the house. As any lithium battery enters thermal runaway it will often vent a nasty vapor cloud prior to flaming combustion and during active fire and this contains more than enough CO to trigger a detector giving you a head start on reacting to what is happening. This alarm will even occur prior to most smoke detectors activating IF the fire starts in a LIB.
Even small devices such as RC car batteries will do the same if you have those in your house. Some of them are capable of venting the gases from the bad cell and some may not even ignite so the CO detector in our homes is a MUST (I use multiple).
You might get some false alarms if you idle your car too long in the garage (or mower, etc) but who cares, safety first. Don’t tie it into your home alarm if you have one because you will get some idling or start-up activations.
Thank me later.....
Uh, you didn’t read the article, did you? It’s about newer, better batteries like Lithium-Ferrous Ion batteries which DON’T catch on fire.
Most definitely the latter. In fact, he’s saying it’s here already, but there are some (unspecified) legal issues with the U.S. market.
>> The grid is maxed out so it early doesn’t matter. <<
You say that as if it’s impossible to expand the grid.
tesla-model-s-catches-fire-at-tesla-service-center-in-marietta-georgia-
What a disjointed, incoherent, mess of an article. Mr. White really needs a good editor to fix up his slap-dash writing.
It’s not being a luddite. There is only so close you can push electrons together, to store power, before you have a bomb on your hands. The limitations of batteries is physics bound. It’s not going to get better by much, if at all.
And infernal combustion engines scare the horses!
Man was not meant to go so fast!
Man was not meant to fly.
Electricity will kill us all.
Cell phones will kill us all.
Batteries are a bomb? How is 25 gallons of gasoline in a semi-closed container not a bomb?
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