Posted on 10/29/2023 11:28:22 AM PDT by daniel1212
Amy Gorin · Oct 23 Here's your real problem Daniel. You don't understand the difference between trespassing and rape.
Women aren't buildings or cars. Women are people. And using a *person’s body* without their consent is rape, not trespassing.
Every time you use the trespassing analogy, you are admitting that you don't see women as people.
Daniel Hamilton · Oct 23 Here's real problem here in your attempted deflection, Amy. you still don't understand the difference between unlawful trespassing versus some lost vulnerable child innocently ending up on your property, and thus how they are not to be killed, nor btwn rape victims (which approx 1% I never mentioned), versus a child being in your body DUE to your choices/actions of consensual sexual relation - despite knowing the risks! (
And who you justify killing.
And rather than me admitting that you don't see women as people (due to your limited idea of analogy ), it remains that it is You who refuses to see the unborn as people, which you desperately attempt to justify murdering.
Again, I think it is best to just give this up. The more you attempt to defend your infanticide here, then the more it becomes an argument against it.
However, let me say that I am not angry at you, though I do contend against your arguments. And may God grant you “repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.” ()
Profile photo for Amy Gorin Amy Gorin · Oct 23 It doesn’t matter if the entry is “unlawful” or if it’s a “ lost vulnerable child.” Women are still people, not buildings, and I still don’t have to “justify” a person’s right to not have their body used without their consent. Even if she had consensual sex. Even if someone will die.
You’re responding to the arguments you’ve memorized, not to the things I’m actually saying.
I ask you for photos of your foster children and organ donation scars, and instead you give me quotes from your bible. That really says it all.
Profile photo for Daniel Hamilton Daniel Hamilton · Oct 23 Now this is becoming irrational. How can you compare a child living within her body, due to her choices - and without the consent of the occupant - knowing of the risk of pregnancy, with someone who uses her body without her consent, as if this was like a case of being bought as a slave? “Property rights?”
Her “consent” was that of engaging in an activity knowing the risk, and she has no justification for making herself out to be a victim and murdering the actual “victim.”
I ask you for photos of your foster children and organ donation scars, and instead you give me quotes from your bible. That really says it all.
I never knew what photos you referred to, but I no longer have receipts toward the support of foster children, though I provide free repair work for bikes, and dispense food (pregnant women may go first) , and I at 71 I am willing to risk my life today to save my neighbors, But I would not murder my organs which are to be used for good.
Yet even if your attempted deflection of assigning a hypocrite label to me worked, for that also fails to prevail as justification for murdering the child in a mother's wombs, which is due to her consent to couple with another person, who was once in a womb himself, and shares responsibility of support.
Finally, I actually only provided one quote from the Bible you also murder, which is more than any justification for murder that you have or can provide. And which responses I am saving, perhaps to post elsewhere, properly attributed. Thanks.
But I would still fix your bike, etc.
Profile photo for Amy Gorin Amy Gorin · Oct 23 People have the right to not be pregnant without consent. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Even if someone will die. But you are certainly to be lauded for providing food to the needy.
“Finally, I actually only provided one quote from the Bible you also murder, which is more than any justification for murder that you have or can provide”
I have no idea what this means.
Profile photo for Daniel Hamilton Daniel Hamilton · Oct 23 Which is the same old refuted polemic you tried before, which is no more valid than it was then.
People do not have the right to not realize consequences of actions they consented to. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy, but it is consent to the risk of pregnancy. and moral responsibility to such is to be consented to. . Especially if someone will die. For no one has the right to escape responsibility for the consequences of actions they chose, which risk they choose to take.
And when the consequences involve life, then responsibility does not mean taking innocent life, but caring for it.
And thus it remains that the one quote from the Bible is more (in number) than any justification for murder that you have or can provide.
In conclusion, while I affirm both the unborn and the mother as human persons, and who thus are to be respected, cared for, etc. and with rights to such.
But as such, then insomuch as they are morally cognizant and capable, then such are responsible for consequences of their volitional actions.
And since the unborn are not morally responsible for their conception, location, nor needs, but are (in the cases at issue) the result of persons choosing to engage in actions, knowing of the risks, then they are not victims, but perpetrators, which are morally responsible for the care of the unborn, which is the “victim” party.
In addition, even though you do not like analogies which works against you via correspondence of principles, just as in the case of a lost vulnerable innocent child who seeks finds shelter in your house the door being opened, then you are obliged to provide care for such until another can. Even if you did not invite them.
For children of any age are not cars.
But again, may God grant you “repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.” (2 Timothy 2:25)
Good bye.
Ping for pro-life praise the Author of life.
Amen!
They don’t care about the science. They want to kill their babies and that’s it.
Ask them the question “At what point is it okay to kill a baby in the womb?”
They can’t escape the scientific fact that it’s a human life at conception, and to kill the baby is murder.
I must reluctantly agree with you. Some “pro-choice” folks can be reasoned with, I suppose. So it’s always worth a try! But the great majority will not be moved.
We lost control of the narrative maybe 50 years ago.
Let see...
Abortion = murder
End of argument for me.
To “My Body, My Choice”, Reagan said it very well: “Your choice ends at the beginning of you baby’s body.”
Try again...
“Your choice ends at the beginning of your baby’s body.”
Talking about abortion is a distraction. It’s a losing issue. We have other things to worry about.
Go ahead and do a DNA test to determine whether the fetus is "part" of the woman's body.
“They don’t care about the science. They want to kill their babies and that’s it.”
Aside from this straight view is the enslavement position
Instead of thinking things through in so many of their lifestyle choices people do what everyone else is doing. They assume everyone has had it checked out
The lifestyle of birth control is one huge instance
You can’t date, live together, be engaged to be married, accept what entertainment media (as opposed to story telling) is selling without practicing birth control
What happens in that 10% instance when birth control fails?
Abortion = the lazy stupid female’s “backstop” for birth control after the fact. But the millions of them will never admit it. Too busy texting another boy toy for the next tryst. We let this particular genie out of the bottle during the sexual revolution. The only way abortion will ever stop is if sexual activity between consenting adults stops. Which will be never.
Exactly, esp. when "your choice" was to engage in an activity which resulted in a human life having no choice at present, and needing constant care.
That’s because they’re hedonistic selfish monsters who only want pleasure and no responsibility whatsoever.
Thank you.
Well said.
Are you serious? If you are not concerned about how innocent life is to be valued and treated, then you will indeed have much to be concerned about. As you do.
This can be equally directed at the men.
You are absolutely right.
Take a look around you. We have a weak American President. Our enemies are taking advantage of us. Joe Biden remains an effective demagogue. He'll rally liberal white women to vote for him just on the abortion issue.
Nah. I'm not playing that game.
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