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Putin’s War Has Emptied West’s Arsenals, Admits NATO Chief; Says “Stocks Need To Be Replenished”
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Posted on 06/20/2023 6:53:33 AM PDT by ganeemead

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To: MeganC
Those are obvious questions to ask about the real state of the Russian military.

No one will in the Russian camp will answer them directly.

41 posted on 06/20/2023 8:33:27 AM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: ganeemead

Once Russia drains the NATO countries weapons, China can go in for the kill.


42 posted on 06/20/2023 8:35:01 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: ganeemead

NATO bought all that stuff with the idea it might be needed against the Russians one day.


43 posted on 06/20/2023 8:36:49 AM PDT by Flag_This
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To: 1Old Pro

It is more likely China is disturbed to see what the few types of weapons we are giving Ukraine can do, and then seeing the West opening new factories and upgrading old factories to replenish those weapons or their newer upgraded versions, as domestic/NATO and world orders roll in, including from India, while Japan goes on its biggest military build-up since WWII and Australia buys American nuclear subs, and the Philippines and Taiwan welcome back American forces


44 posted on 06/20/2023 8:41:21 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: escapefromboston

So what message is this asshat clown NATO chief sending to the middle-eastern crapholes like Iran? Is he an Iranian mole in NATO? Or just brain-dead? Because he just released some intel that is super valuable to them.


45 posted on 06/20/2023 8:44:22 AM PDT by jpp113
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To: adorno

Because the Ukraine offensive is doing so well? Not.


46 posted on 06/20/2023 9:20:56 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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To: ganeemead

The military industrial complex hard at work making their owners wealthy.


47 posted on 06/20/2023 9:21:31 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: adorno

Did you make that hogwash up all by yourself? How about some receipts?


48 posted on 06/20/2023 9:26:13 AM PDT by dforest
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To: wildcard_redneck
Because the Ukraine offensive is doing so well?

What matters is the end result. Has Russia won the war yet. You think they'll ever win? They were supposed to win by the end of March 2022. So, is it going to be March of never?
49 posted on 06/20/2023 9:39:12 AM PDT by adorno
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To: dforest
Did you make that hogwash up all by yourself?

Whatever the hogwash was, prove it wrong. Don't just utter nonsensical denials.
50 posted on 06/20/2023 9:40:55 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

I take that as a tacit admission that the Ukrainian offensive is not doing well. They are almost out of Ukrainians.


51 posted on 06/20/2023 9:44:21 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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To: wildcard_redneck
I take that as a tacit admission that the Ukrainian offensive is not doing well.

I have no way of knowing that, and neither do you. So, stop imagining the kind of results that you wish.

They are almost out of Ukrainians.

But, the Russians ran out of soldiers already, and had to recruit from their prisons. Smart Russians, sending their prisoners to die, so they could save money in their prison system, but die they did. Soon, they'll have to send all their school-age kids into battle.

Get with the program and get informed. Imagination is not a way to get real information.
52 posted on 06/20/2023 9:54:56 AM PDT by adorno
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To: MeganC
Finally, if Russia is so awash in military kit why didn’t they defeat Ukraine last March?

What a ludicrous statement!

First, Russia is not fighting Ukraine. Russia is fighting the whole of the US and Europe (David & Goliath) -- and winning while doing it. And they just stopped the "mother of all counter-offensives" dead in its tracks which was designed to cut off the land bridge and take Crimea in a march to the sea. Now, that's really winning.

By the way, they destroyed 20% of the billions of equipment the Ukes begged for in the process. That is billions of our tax dollars.

Second, they control over 20% of the former Uke territory. That's what winning looks like. It's irrelevant whether they win with museum tanks or the hottest and latest version just off the assembly line. Winning is winning.

53 posted on 06/20/2023 11:16:39 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: adorno
Prove mw wrong.

You fool. You can't prove a negative!

You made the statement -- now back it up with facts.

54 posted on 06/20/2023 11:18:35 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: MeganC

Because they didn’t have ennough people involved; they do now...


55 posted on 06/20/2023 12:13:18 PM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: icclearly

“First, Russia is not fighting Ukraine. Russia is fighting the whole of the US and Europe (David & Goliath)”

You need to let Comrade Supreme Leader Vladimir know that he declared war on NATO when he thought he was just going to rape and pillage Ukraine:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-putin-authorises-military-operations-donbass-domestic-media-2022-02-24/

In an early morning address on state television, Putin said he had been left with no choice but to launch the operation, the scope of which was not immediately clear but appeared to go well beyond helping Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine.

“I have decided to conduct a special military operation,” said Putin, seated at a desk in the Kremlin next to a battery of telephones, with the Russian flag behind him.

“Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide... for the last eight years. And for this we will strive for the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine.

“And to bring to court those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.”


56 posted on 06/20/2023 12:15:55 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Widget Jr
Russia is replacing 72s with 90s and Armatas, the 55s and what not are being sent in for short to medium range artillery that is mobile enough to beused in urban areas and offer the troops using it some protection. That is a perfect use for them.

As to US/nato arms production, starting from now, they will never catch Russia, the economics for it aren't there.

57 posted on 06/20/2023 12:22:11 PM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: BipolarBob

Amen to that. I’m with Tucker on this one.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uZwG7mIpEAI


58 posted on 06/20/2023 12:52:23 PM PDT by Allegra (Stop the Zeepers from Censoring FReepers)
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To: icclearly
You fool. You can't prove a negative!

My statements had no lies, but you called them lies, so, it's up to you to prove my statements wrong. So, if you can't prove my assertions to be wrong, then admit that you don't belong in the conversation.
59 posted on 06/20/2023 1:26:56 PM PDT by adorno
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To: ganeemead
For all the time and money Russia spent on the T-14 and it's airborne partner in crime, the SU-57, they might as well not exist.

Russia was supposed to have a thousand T-14 Armatas and a few hundred SU-57 Felon's years ago. Ten years after they were introduced, at best a dozen T-14s and a score of SU-57s exist as production prototypes or operational.

As for the T-55, yes, they are useful as fire support. That they are used at all is the problem. Russia has to go to the vehicle graveyards to find them because their newer and better equipment is having high losses.

Putin or Shogiu can announce new plans to all the press fanfare they want. Until Russia has T-14s or SU-57s, they don't have them.

60 posted on 06/20/2023 1:36:02 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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