Posted on 03/24/2023 1:55:37 PM PDT by nickcarraway
“So, can you tell me, if a civilization exists in a different galaxy out there, and they don’t have a sun such as ours and a planet such as ours, would they have figured out a way to tell time, and would they have such things as day and night and hours/minutes/years?”
While time is part of the laws of physics, I’m suggesting that the laws of physics only appear to be fundamental to the universe. Rather, I believe they are properties of conscious entities. If this is the case, the construct of time is an element of conscious thought and would therefore not require any particular environment in order for it to elapse. It is true, however, that the realm of space-matter-time-and-energy is useful for giving us a frame of reference in order to keep up with things like time.
“If humans needed to leave the planet because it was about to be destroyed, how would those travelers keep time, it they’re no longer dependent on Earth rotating every 24 hours and the planet making revolutions around the sun every ‘year’?”
Humans are adapted to earth-time and earth gravity and other conditions here. We would probably need to maintain a sense of time to avoid going insane. This can easily be done through computers and simulated environments. But, if the hope of ever returning to earth is lost, these would be mere window dressing. Future generations might adapt to new environments.
“Time, as we know it, is the measurement of how long it took for those events to occur, based on our perception of our locality in the solar system.”
True, but, oddly enough, it has been confirmed that time that is built into the physical properties of the space-matter-time-and-energy realm is relative based on things like the velocity you travel or the strength of the gravitational forces acting on you. So, if you traveled away from earth at extremely high speeds (relative to the speed of light) and then returned to earth, you might have aged a few days while everyone here has experienced many years.
“Are dogs and elephants and dolphins and all other forms of life, aware of ‘time’?”
They experience time.
“We don’t have any other means of measurement based on universal time or galactic time. In fact, universal and galactic time measurements don’t exist.”
There is no absolute time because time is relative. However, time is a property of the physical universe. So, we can expect time to be operating everywhere in the observable universe. It just isn’t synchronized.
Animals don’t know time, and what they experience is life, with no account of what’s next or what was or what is. Time is has no meaning to them. It’s humans who have the ability to measure change and then call it time.
Meanwhile, you’re still using the definitions of time as written in science textbooks. Time is an abstract. We don’t really know if time is the fourth dimension or any dimension at all. We take measurements based on what we know of our neighborhood in the universe. We don’t know if time is useful for measuring the past or present or future events out there in the rest of the universe.
Time is relative to us, but perhaps not to the rest of the universe.
I believe animals experience consciousness similar to humans, even if their thought processes may not be as complex.
Consciousness is as big of a mystery as time is. I think they are intertwined.
I think even the laws of physics are really just descriptions of the rules of consciousness. Our consciousness processes our experiences according to these rules. This, in turn, creates a mental map of the universe as we have collectively experienced it. But the physical universe is not the fundamental reality. It is simply how we perceive reality from experience.
This includes time.
“One of my FB friends announced her campaign for the position of President of the Galactic Federation”
You can have some fun.
Just tell her the Galactic Federation is a hologram created by our reptilian overlords—and the reason the presidency is currently vacant is because the reptilians ate the last one...
;-)
She’s now doing Yoga designed to facilitate communication with ET’s.
An internal time clock is just an instinct; one of many instincts that animals possess; humans have that too; but it’s not time as we humans define it.
Non-human animals lack the intelligence to plan using ‘time’. Animals can wait for events to occur, like when they see a prey and wait in hiding, but that’s not the same as planning time-wise.
They’ll change their minds once they run into the trannies, woke crowd, blm and antifa.
Interesting research. Thanks for sharing it. I’m saving a copy for further investigation.
It does not address where consciousness originates, per se. Rapoport and Pérez’s proposal of Klein bottle logophysics focuses on the relationship between language, mathematics, and physics, and suggests that language may shape our perception of reality by influencing the way we process information. Their theory does not make any claims about the fundamental nature of consciousness or the nature of reality.
I would go further than this and suggest that the reality we perceive is not the fundamental reality but the interface our consciousness uses to map our experiences.
Rapoport and Pérez’s idea reminds me of the following quote:
“The syntactical nature of reality, the real secret of magic, is that the world is made of words. And if you know the words that the world is made of, you can make of it whatever you wish.” ― Terence McKenna
Terence McKenna was stunningly brilliant—many decades ahead of his time.
Those that dismiss him as a “druggy” don’t get it—he had more creative and amazing ideas from any one of his trips than most folks will ever see in a lifetime.
For those who want to listen to him—an amazing speaker btw—here are many hours of podcasts included here:
https://psychedelicsalon.com/category/people/terence-mckenna/
BKMK Thanks for posting this!
“Terence McKenna was stunningly brilliant—many decades ahead of his time.”
I agree. The thing I always wondered was whether the psychedelics imparted this to him or if he was just a brilliant person who happened to experiment with psychedelics. Based on his brother’s recorded conversations I believe it was the latter.
“For those who want to listen to him—an amazing speaker btw—here are many hours of podcasts included here:”
I’m bookmarking that link. He’s somebody who can hold an audience’s attention for hours. But he compresses so much profound information and insights into it that a recording is better so you can back up or pause to ponder what he’s saying.
I’ve never tried psychedelics, though. I’ve never settled on whether to believe they’re a gift from God or the remnants of the forbidden fruit. :-)
“It’s interesting. you and i can read the same report. I’m still blown away by it. Trying to figure out some of the details of it still.”
It’s not light reading, for sure. That’s why I downloaded it. I think it will take me a while to digest it.
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