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Commentary: Gen Z, don't make yourself hard to employ and easy to fire
Channel News Asia ^ | 27 Jan 2023 | Allison Schrager

Posted on 01/29/2023 3:49:19 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: thecodont
“You can say stuff face to face through random meetings in the break room or hallway that would never be said in a Zoom meeting.”

Absolutely true. There are pros and cons to almost everything.

41 posted on 01/30/2023 4:43:41 AM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: nickcarraway

THe only hire ypung because they work cheap. Experience doesn’t count for much.


42 posted on 01/30/2023 4:48:59 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va
They only hire young because they work cheap.

Fixedit.

43 posted on 01/30/2023 4:51:22 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: FLT-bird

Have similar stories.

My rule is until I have a signed start date, I do NOT turn in my notice.

Had one employer dump me because of that, only to find out they strung one guy along for months.


44 posted on 01/30/2023 6:31:07 AM PST by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: thecodont
You can say stuff face to face through random meetings in the break room or hallway that would never be said in a Zoom meeting.

One thing the workplace has lost with severe consequences is the ability to speak the truth. While working remote, I regularly have brutal conversations via mobile phone that I could never have in a Zoom meeting, face-to-face, or anywhere in the building.

The results are such that processes that previously took weeks to accomplish can be done in three days. No more dancing around and playing games because no one is willing to call something like it really is.

Face-to-face meetings are lessons in tap dancing through a mine field. They're opportunities for delusional managers have people tell them "yes" despite knowing it's going to fail spectacularly.

It's not a coincidence that since working remotely, we've had our weakest links retire or transfer to other departments within the company. These were the ones who could look busy all day but do nothing except drag others down.

In addition, we now work with firms half way across the country that we would never have done if we stayed with the outdated model of being present in a cubicle farm. The conversations are much better since the widespread firms have staff that run circles around the "locals".

45 posted on 01/30/2023 10:31:29 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: SamAdams76; chrisser

It’s job- and personality-specific. SamAdams76, you sound like you have a job where you really need to be in the office and actually enjoy it. Great.

Many people don’t. I don’t manage anyone, nor am I closely managed beyond the occasional check-in, and I am an introvert with a “worker bee” attitude. Get in, put my head down, get stuff done, and leave. I can do that just as easily from home as from the office.

Making me drive an hour each way to and from the office is a waste.


46 posted on 02/03/2023 2:43:25 AM PST by Claud
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To: chrisser

Companies should outsource remote work to countries with cheaper labor to maximize profits.


47 posted on 02/03/2023 2:56:07 AM PST by moviefan8 (...you’re the customer, they are here to serve mpyou. It doesn’t matter if he likes you or not.)
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To: SamAdams76

I am amazed that LeQuisha blabbing loudly on the phone all day about her “good boy” in trouble with the law—again—has not scared you away from the office.

When her “good boy” showed up at the office one day and started looking at me like I was his next meal that was it for me—I was working from home!


48 posted on 02/03/2023 3:01:49 AM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: T.B. Yoits

“Face-to-face meetings are lessons in tap dancing through a mine field. They’re opportunities for delusional managers have people tell them “yes” despite knowing it’s going to fail spectacularly.”

Great post—every MBA student should read it—over and over and over and over again—until they learn not to be that delusional manager wasting their staff’s time in another stupid meeting.


49 posted on 02/03/2023 3:04:04 AM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Layoffs cause all kinds of far reaching issues. It destroys company loyalty even if you don’t get laid off.

True, I'd add that outsourcing does the same and worse.

There's no such thing as loyalty to a company anymore, IMO. There's also no such thing as lifelong employment at a company. That went by the wayside decades ago.

I'm at the tail end of my career. At this point I can retire whenever I want. Announced I was going to retire and had money thrown at me to stay, so I did. Who'd walk away from that, even after surviving multiple layoff's, outsourcing, and taking on a huge workload to boot?

After all this and after recently turning 60, I'm beginning to think the Gen Z'ers actually have it right and I've had it wrong all this time. Working is a means to an end, and that end is personal satisfaction with one's life and not being a slave to some company/corporation.

In closing: anything the evil WEF is for, I'm against. No, I will not eat the bugs. No, I will not drive an EV. No, I will not take the poison mRNA "vaccine". No, I do not believe in man made global warming and NO, I am not a slave to a corporation.

50 posted on 02/03/2023 3:05:17 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: SamAdams76

Working from home is more stressful because you are always in the office. I didn’t see it but my wife did. That is driving me to retire earlier than I wanted.


51 posted on 02/03/2023 3:14:21 AM PST by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: moviefan8
"Companies should outsource remote work to countries with cheaper labor to maximize profits."

You're right. They should, they can, and they do.
52 posted on 02/03/2023 4:43:05 AM PST by chrisser (I lost my vaccine card in a tragic boating accident.)
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To: moviefan8
Companies should outsource remote work to countries with cheaper labor to maximize profits.

They have been for decades and would continue if they could. They can't outsource work that requires real skills and knowledge of the business.

53 posted on 02/03/2023 4:46:40 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: usconservative
After all this and after recently turning 60, I'm beginning to think the Gen Z'ers actually have it right and I've had it wrong all this time. Working is a means to an end, and that end is personal satisfaction with one's life and not being a slave to some company/corporation.

Government and korporations broke the social contract. Instead of working your life away in exchange for a house in a nice neighborhood, decent health, education for your kids and opportunities for them to do better, the houses are un-affordable, the neighborhoods are overrun with mutants, indoctrination replaced education, and instead of opportunity the kids are forced to pay debts they didn't incur.

54 posted on 02/03/2023 4:53:32 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits
Government and korporations broke the social contract.

I've never believed in the "social contract".

55 posted on 02/03/2023 4:59:13 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: AppyPappy; cgbg; Claud
AppyPappy hits the nail on the head on why I prefer going to the office. It's actually more stressful (for me) working at home because due to my role (Regional VP), I often have acrimonious meetings with clients (i.e. delivery or supply chain issues) as well as HR issues with employees. I just don't like bringing that negative energy into my home.

I current work from home most Mondays and on Fridays. I will actually not schedule any of the aforementioned meetings on days I am working from home because I like to keep a positive atmosphere here.

When in my office, I'm more in business mode and when I have those meetings, I can show a live ZOOM background of the skyline of NYC behind my desk as opposed to my home office or some fake background (which I always found rather cheesy). It just looks more professional.

Like others have mentioned, working at home is a better fit for those who are introverts or have a "nose to the grindstone" approach to their work. With my role, I need to be interacting with clients and employees all the time.

56 posted on 02/03/2023 5:41:16 AM PST by SamAdams76 (4,857,036 Truth | 87,716,542 Twitter)
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To: SamAdams76

I worked at home and had lots of interactions with clients and other employees.

Most of the other employees worked at home as well so it was a non-issue.

Our operations were spread all over the country—going to the office accomplished nothing—and wasted a ton of time—commuting time, stupid “mandatory” meetings, distractions from other local employees that was not work related.

My boss was two hundred miles away from me and her boss was halfway across the country.


57 posted on 02/03/2023 7:09:31 AM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: SamAdams76

Working from home also means that emergency work goes to the people that answer. I plan my work day on a 2 page per day 32lb form using a fountain pen. When I get sent an emergency, I have to throw the plan into the dugout. It’s both annoying and stressful because it puts me behind.
I talked to my banker yesterday and the Medicare experts today. For now, I’ll be retiring on Dec 31 and punching out of work in October. In the meantime, I have to look for a job and yes I asked at both places and they have openings.


58 posted on 02/03/2023 9:42:05 AM PST by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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