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Why Reparations Make No Sense (over 3,000 free black slaveholders who owned some 20,000 slaves. American Indians were also slaveholders)
Intellectual Takeout ^ | January 13, 2023 | Richard Moss, M.D.

Posted on 01/19/2023 3:06:39 PM PST by daniel1212

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To: daniel1212; bitt; ransomnote; little jeremiah

When will the Egyptians be required be required to pa reparations to the jews for holding them in slavery?

How much do you think Egypt will owe each jew since this atrocity was over 2,000 years ago??


41 posted on 01/19/2023 4:54:08 PM PST by thinden (buckle up ....)
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To: daniel1212

I read somewhere about black Freeman owning black slaves, I wouldn’t repeat that because I don’t know where the source is or where I read it. I know it’s a fact but somewhere between my Catholic School the public school in the public library somewhere I read this and I remember it was an historical fact. Has anybody else heard of about this or know where this is recorded?


42 posted on 01/19/2023 4:57:04 PM PST by dila813
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To: daniel1212

My mother’s parent came into the USA around 1900.

My father was mainly Irish, but he had ancestors living in the USA in the 1600’s.

I’m not sure if his family ever saw a black person before the Civil War.


43 posted on 01/19/2023 4:57:30 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: daniel1212

The Irish were treated worse than slaves, yet you don’t hear them whining about reparations.


44 posted on 01/19/2023 4:58:49 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (One Nation, Under Fraud Completely Visible, With Spying and Lying To All.)
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To: dila813

“The most solid data we found was published in an article in the Root by Henry Louis Gates Jr., a Harvard University historian. Gates cited research by Carter G. Woodson, an African-American historian who died in 1950. He found that in 1830, a total of ‘3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves.’”

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/aug/24/viral-image/viral-post-gets-it-wrong-extent-slavery-1860/

“It includes ‘many “owned” family members whom they had purchased to become free,’ said Eric Foner, a Columbia University historian and the author of such books as The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery. ‘You could not free a slave in most southern states without sending them out of the state.’”


45 posted on 01/19/2023 5:05:51 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

The story that I remember reading was something about a Freeman Black who was in a posse after escaped slaves in the Midwest and the local sheriff confronted the Posse and escorted them to the bridge for them to leave the state.


46 posted on 01/19/2023 5:07:39 PM PST by dila813
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To: Brian Griffin

The data would come from census records. Because of the three-fifths rule, the slavery status of a black person was significant.


47 posted on 01/19/2023 5:08:29 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: deport

It is difficult to imagine the dems putting some one as dumb as that women in that position.


48 posted on 01/19/2023 5:10:12 PM PST by robowombat ( )
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To: daniel1212

I wish Newsom would do something to benefit taxpayers in his state - like increasing water storage and power sources. All he does is posture. He’s an empty suit.


49 posted on 01/19/2023 5:13:28 PM PST by beethovenfan (The REAL Great Reset will be when Jesus returns. )
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To: daniel1212

“Why Reparations Make No Sense”
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It’s not about making sense. It’s about dividing our nation even further and bankrupting our economy.


50 posted on 01/19/2023 5:16:16 PM PST by xenia ( “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it” George Orwell)
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To: daniel1212

America fought a bloody civil war to forever end slavery. I believe that the blood of hundreds of thousands of Americans who died in this conflict was reparation enough.


51 posted on 01/19/2023 5:18:46 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: daniel1212

Of course it makes no sense, but that doesn’t matter. Blacks are demanding it, and who, nowadays, would dare tell them no? They will be pandered to. They will get their reparations.


52 posted on 01/19/2023 5:19:57 PM PST by Nea Wood
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To: dila813

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_catcher


53 posted on 01/19/2023 5:21:23 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: daniel1212

Good on you useless now give time for all to get there.


54 posted on 01/19/2023 5:22:18 PM PST by Recompennation (Don’t blame me my vote didn’t count !)
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To: EinNYC

The idea of “reparations” is ridiculous.

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Reparations should only be allowed for injured parties, not the descendants of injured parties.

I also liked your historical reference to slavery in Egypt and the questions of “who gets what.”

Well done.


55 posted on 01/19/2023 5:27:26 PM PST by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: Taxman

Ping


56 posted on 01/19/2023 5:44:24 PM PST by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2023 AND 2024!)
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To: daniel1212

All people who accept reparations must also accept a one way ticket to the country of their choice and must forfeit citizenship.


57 posted on 01/19/2023 6:11:07 PM PST by 1956tbyrd
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To: robowombat

Where is the check to my family for those members killed fighting to free the slaves?


58 posted on 01/19/2023 7:02:42 PM PST by oldasrocks
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To: dila813
I read somewhere about black Freeman owning black slaves, I wouldn’t repeat that because I don’t know where the source is or where I read it. I know it’s a fact but somewhere between my Catholic School the public school in the public library somewhere I read this and I remember it was an historical fact. Has anybody else heard of about this or know where this is recorded?

THE BLACK SLAVE OWNERS By Joseph E. Holloway The majority of black slave owners were members of the mulatto class, and in some cases were the sons and daughters of white slave masters. Many of the mulatto slave owners separated themselves from the masses of black people and attempted to establish a caste system based on color, wealth, and free status. According to Martin Delany, the colored community of Charleston City clung to the assumptions of the superiority of white blood and brown skin complexion.
Large numbers of free Blacks owned black slaves in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society. According to the federal census of 1830, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves in Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia. The majority of black slave-owners lived in Louisiana and planted sugar cane.
Slave holding among the mulatto class in South Carolina was widespread according to the first census of 1790, which revealed that 36 out of 102, or 35.2 percent of the free Black heads of family held slaves in Charleston City. By 1800 one out of every three free black recorded owning slave property. Between 1820 and 1840 the percentage of slaveholding heads of family ranged from 72.1 to 77.7 percent, however, by 1850 the percentage felt to 42.3 percent.
According to the U.S. Census report in 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. Out of a population of 27 million whites only eight million lived in the South, and out of this population fewer than 385,000 owned slaves. In short, the total white population own about 1.4, while the southern white population own about 4.8 enslaved Africans..... In New Orleans over 3,000 free blacks owned slaves, about 28 percent of the free Black population in the city.
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Pages in category "Black slave owners in the United States" The following 31 pages are in this category, out of 31 total. This list may not reflect recent changes. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Black_slave_owners_in_the_United_States

This essay is the introduction to Larry Koger’s book, Black Slaveowners: Free Black Slave Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860.

Black slaveholding is a historical phenomenon which has not been fully explored by scholars. Graduate students of history are often sur­prised to learn that some free blacks owned slaves. Even historians are fre­quently skeptical until they discover the number of black masters and the number of slaves owned by them. To many readers, slavery was an institu­tion exclusively utilized by white slaveowners. The fact that free blacks owned slaves has been lost in the annals of history. Yet at one time or another, free black slaveowners resided in every Southern state which countenanced slavery and even in Northern states. In Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves, according to the federal census of 1830.
Many of the black masters in the lower South were large planters who owned scores of slaves and planted large quantities of cotton, rice, and sugar cane. In 1860, for example, Auguste Donatto, a free colored planter of St. Landry Parish in Louisiana, owned 70 slaves who worked 500 acres of land and produced 100 bales of cotton. About 600 miles to the east of Louisiana in the county of Sumter, South Carolina, William Ellison, a free colored planter, used the labor of 70 slaves to cultivate 100 bales of cotton in 1861. In South Carolina, Robert Michael Collins and Margaret Mitchell Harris used their slaves to till the soil of Santee Planta­tion and grew 240,000 pounds of rice in 1849. But the majority of the large colored planters lived in Louisiana. In 1860, Madame Ciprien Ricard and her son Pierre Ricard, free mulattoes of Ibeville Parish, owned 168 slaves. The joint operation of mother and son used the labor of slaves to produce 515 hogsheads of sugar in 1859. Yet not all of the black masters were planters or from the South. In fact, the city of New York had eight black slaveowners who owned 17 slaves in 1830. In short, the institution of black slaveowning was widespread, stretching as far north as New York and as far south as Florida, extending westward into Kentucky, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Missouri. - https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/black-slaveowners/
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Free blacks during the colonial period never accounted for a large proportion of the black population in Virginia, let alone the total population. But until the latter part of the seventeenth century, they enjoyed many of the same rights as free whites. Whites and blacks often worked and socialized together, and some free blacks, such as Anthony Johnson of Northampton County, apparently even owned slaves themselves. At the same time, freedom was considered to be a legitimate goal for enslaved blacks, who were able to earn money to purchase their freedom. - https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/free-blacks-in-colonial-virginia/
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William Ellison Jr. (c. April 1790 – December 5, 1861), born April Ellison, was a U.S. cotton gin maker and blacksmith in South Carolina, and former African-American slave who achieved considerable success as a slaveowner before the American Civil War. He eventually became a major planter and one of the medium property owners, and one of the wealthiest property owners in the state. According to the 1860 census (in which his surname was listed as "Ellerson"), he owned up to 68 black slaves, making him the largest of the 171 black slaveholders in South Carolina. He held 63 slaves at his death and more than 900 acres (360 ha) of land.[1] From 1830 to 1865 he and his sons were the only free blacks in Sumter County, South Carolina to own slaves. The county was largely devoted to cotton plantations, and the majority population were slaves. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ellison
--------------- The Five Civilized Tribes owned chattel slaves
The "Five Civilized Tribes", centered in Georgia, had acquired African Americans for use in slavery as plunder from Patriot slave owners during the Revolutionary War, which was allowed by their British allies.[29] The Five Civilized Tribes, coached by Indian agent Benjamin Hawkins, acquired additional enslaved workers and became planters, like their white neighbors.[36] The federal government's expulsion of the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, and Creek (Muscogee) tribes opened the door to the rapid growth of plantation slavery across the "Deep South", but Indian removal also pushed chattel slavery westward, setting the stage for more conflicts.[36] Unlike other tribes that were physically forced to move out of the "Deep South" the government actively sought to have the Choctaw and Chickasaw nations forcefully unified governmentally.[36] The Choctaw and Chickasaw saw each other as different people and were bitter enemies in the 1700s, but in 1837 a treaty was made unifying the two tribes.[36]
The Cherokee was the tribe that held the most people in slavery. In 1809, they held nearly 600 enslaved Africans.[34] This number increased to almost 1,600 in 1835, and to around 4,000 by 1860, after they had removed to Indian Territory.[34] Cherokee populations for these dates are: 12,400 in 1809; 16,400 in 1835; and 21,000 in 1860.[34] The proportion of Cherokee families who held others in slavery did not exceed ten percent, and was comparable to the percentage among white families across the South, where an "elite" group of people held most of the people who were enslaved for labor and profit.[34] In the 1835 census, only eight percent of Cherokee households contained people in slavery, and only three Cherokee owned more than 50 people held in slavery.[34] Joseph Vann had the most, owning 110 like other major planters.[34] Of the Cherokee who held people in slavery, 83 percent held fewer than 10 people in slavery.[34] Of the families who held people in slavery, 78 percent claimed some white ancestry.[34] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_slave_ownership

59 posted on 01/19/2023 7:20:52 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Every Race, Creed and Color in this world going back thousands of years had slaves, it is not and never has been a Black only issue. Blacks were enslaving Black in Africa long before the white man ever got there and there was a huge slave trade in East Africa, still going on today, where many slaves ended up all over Asia and Med. No one wants to study any history anymore.

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16; cf. 2Ki 14:5,6; 2Ch 25:4; Jer 31:29,30; Eze 18:20)

Liberal proxy servants of the devil work to induce guilt over things people are not guilty of, or magnify less transgressions, while justifying actual iniquity or minimizing such.

Now what if groups were fined based upon their cost to society due to their sins? Since the Left has fostered the decline of the traditional American black family then it owes the most to the rest of America.

60 posted on 01/19/2023 7:28:51 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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