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The Manhattan Contrarian Energy Storage Paper Has Arrived!
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 1 Dec, 2022 | Francis Menton

Posted on 12/04/2022 4:51:18 AM PST by MtnClimber

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1 posted on 12/04/2022 4:51:18 AM PST by MtnClimber
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The problem is that the green energy is not about building something workable. It is about collapsing society into a UN Agenda 2030 subsistence “utopia”.


2 posted on 12/04/2022 4:51:31 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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Yup. You nailed it.


3 posted on 12/04/2022 4:53:14 AM PST by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: MtnClimber

We were too close to energy independence here in America.


4 posted on 12/04/2022 4:57:48 AM PST by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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“The problem is that the green energy is not about building something workable.”

It’s a Noah’s Ark with several holes drilled in the bottom of the hull. Get everyone on board believing they are saved, and the damn thing sinks.


5 posted on 12/04/2022 5:01:51 AM PST by redfreedom (You can vote your way into socialism, but you may have to shoot your way out.)
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To: MtnClimber

Our electrical systems are setup to use power on demand.

Wind and solar do not provide power on demand. They provide intermittent power when the wind blows or the sun shines.

Therefore, wind and solar do not work with our current electrical systems.

Energy storage is not feasible due to the capacity required to “smooth out” the fluctuations in generation from wind/solar.

Energy storage also adds immense cost, making wind/solar even more expensive and impractical.

But the further down the road they go with wind/solar and taking coal, oil and nuclear plants offline, the closer we get to a point of no return, meaning an economic collapse will occur with massive power shortages that result in product shortages, rationing and mass death.

Thanks to the recent elections, there is no changing course now.


6 posted on 12/04/2022 5:14:56 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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To: MtnClimber

Of course this “green new deal” energy solution cannot possible work. The physics of it are absurd. But at least the motives behind this attempt are noble. Right? We must save the world from the impending doom of Global Warming. But, then, that is a complete and utter hoax. Always has been. So it looks like you are correct. There is a dark agenda behind this nonsense.


7 posted on 12/04/2022 5:26:06 AM PST by Blennos
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That’s basically about the only thing that renewables might be good at, generating energy to be stored until it is needed.


8 posted on 12/04/2022 5:28:48 AM PST by Jonty30 (You can't spell liberal without the a-hole. )
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To: redfreedom

Noah’s Ark, and there is no flood coming. God gave Noah the rainbow sign; no more flood, the fire next time.


9 posted on 12/04/2022 5:31:14 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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Never fear, we are all in this together. What could possibly go wrong?

As we get closer and closer to no grid. Shutting down perfectly good clean coal power producing facilities in the name of environmental fantasy.

Replacing them with precisely nothing to secure the fantasy.

Congress mum. We the people neutered, God weeping or laughing depending on the day. Environmentalists invigorated for the moment, but soon running to escape the retribution that will be coming their way whether by the hand of man or the hand of God, whose son is scheduled to return about the time all of this comes about.


10 posted on 12/04/2022 5:31:19 AM PST by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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...no working demonstration project anywhere in the world of the wind/solar/storage energy system, but there is none under construction and none even proposed...

Here's one apparent failure - Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project.

;>)

11 posted on 12/04/2022 5:38:37 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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Leftists don’t run the math because their minds work “backwards”. They start with a conclusion, and that’s it . No analysis. No proof. No plan to achieve a goal.

“All cars to be electric by 2035”. That’s it. That’s their “plan”. How? Can it be done? What is the impact of the decision? They don’t care. It’s as if a statement can will something into existence.


12 posted on 12/04/2022 5:39:54 AM PST by Flick Lives (Cui bono)
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“The problem is that the green energy is not about building something workable. It is about collapsing society into a UN Agenda 2030 subsistence “utopia”. “

Yes. It is not an engineering or mechanical solution rather it is a political ideological imperative.


13 posted on 12/04/2022 5:50:30 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: MtnClimber; Chode; SkyDancer; Salamander; Carriage Hill; Lockbox; Squantos; Lazamataz; All
Today my long-awaited energy storage paper

I thought it was some kind of Special Paper that miraculously stored energy in the Paper. Like a flat battery. One side +Positive and the other -Negative. 1 volt DC per sheet and just stack it up to get the desired voltage.

I guess maybe I should go back to sleep...

And here I was all ready to whip out the Visa Card and logon to Office Depot or Maxx...🤪

14 posted on 12/04/2022 6:24:00 AM PST by mabarker1 ( (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !7)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

” the fire next time.”

Yeah, from the battery farms self-igniting.


15 posted on 12/04/2022 6:29:23 AM PST by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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Great, and important, article. Thanks for posting it.


16 posted on 12/04/2022 7:03:32 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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Somehow this reminds me of the collectivization of agriculture in Soviet Russia. Any analysis showed that the system would not work. Those who pointed out the failure were either sent to the gulags or shot. In the end people starved.

The solar, wind and storage schemes cannot possibly provide reliable energy let alone power any modern economy. The added strain on the grid of massive numbers of EVs will only compound the problem. The result will be massive blackouts, people freezing in their homes, businesses shutdown and even the water supply compromised. Imagine the recent Texas blackout disaster, but covering half the country. Of course those who point out this folly are deemed climate deniers, dupes of the oil companies or accused of wanting to despoil the earth.


17 posted on 12/04/2022 7:55:36 AM PST by The Great RJ
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In addition to the fact that this grid back up system, described in the article as woefully inadequate in every case cited, simply cannot work because it lacks the capacity, there is no discussion of the cost or environmental impact of using so much lithium in order to build the back up capacity. Lithium mining is highly toxic, and there probably isn’t enough lithium available at a reasonable cost, and certainly not in the timeframe being discussed (a couple of decades), to accomplish this goal, even if there was a (somewhat) sensible plan to accomplish it. Add to that the fact that a substantial amount of the lithium currently available is in China war in Afghanistan, which is effectively control by China. What a great plan!

We are dealing with one of two possibilities: the first is that the people pushing this agenda at the very top know that it will not work, and that is their goal. They want to take down the grid, they want to induce mass starvation across the world to vastly reduce the population, they want the chaos, and all that it brings. The second possibility is that everyone on the Leftis simply a five-year-old child in an adult body. They are in capable of seriously analyzing the first-, second- or third-order effects of what their proposed utopian policies will bring to the world. While I am a big believer in the idea of stupidity being the cause of most problems in the world, the stupidity here would have to be so vast, so monumental and universal as to be almost impossible (even for humanity which, as a whole, has never impressed me as being too bright). Therefore, I am going with Door #1, that this is a planned take down of most of civilization had a good part of the planet’s population. The degree of sheer evil necessary to contemplate such a plan, let alone to implement it, makes characters like Hitler, Stalin and Mao look like some kids playing in a sand box in comparison.


18 posted on 12/04/2022 8:34:38 AM PST by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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“I guess maybe I should go back to sleep...”

Put that quart of Jack, away.


19 posted on 12/04/2022 8:42:49 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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Thanks for posting. My summary: it’s literally nearly impossible to run any country on green energy.... wind/solar etc. We all know our hydropower dams are slowly being taken out my environmentalism. We need to change our current course and invest in nuclear fusion and fission. This author also has an article on how hydrogen is not a viable choice either.


20 posted on 12/04/2022 1:19:19 PM PST by consult
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