Posted on 10/18/2022 5:32:39 PM PDT by nickcarraway
I need a 10lb bucket!!!
I think there is better research on Ketamine than MDMA. And besides MDMA’s efficacy, there are questions of it’s safety.
Right out of the gate, I have a problem with this article.
How do we know it's a mood disorder rather than, say, something's made someone miserable? Is there a set of criteria to distinguish "mood disorder" from other things that leave a person feeling sad? There should be. Because there's nothing "disordered" about feeling sad if your dog died or you lost a great job or your house burned down; indeed would you not have some sort of disorder if such things did not depress you?
And what if your wife of fifty years died, and you're still sad a year later...or five years...ten? At what point do you have a disorder?
How do we determine when it's a disorder and when it's the only rational response to whatever befalls a person?
I ask because practitioners of medical science employ the term, not philosophers; so it must be a real phenomenon with a set of objective, measurable characteristics...
Adverse life events, hmm.
Were they asked how many "adverse life events" they'd already experienced, and with what effects? Were points added or subtracted according to how far they differed from the "general population?"
Your schlemiel might be cheered up by statistics but your schlimazel will go with pattern recognition every time, and maybe there's a reason for that.
I just looked it up. Amazing thing is addiction to Special K is rare. I guess that really does make it special.
https://www.drugrehab.com/addiction/drugs/ketamine/
Oh, well then! Don't bogart that ketamine, pass it over! It'll ease depression in four -- did you say four hours?? There are competing substances that can ease one's "mood disorder" in four minutes.
Believe it or not, there are ketamine clinics out there that you can get a “doctor” to prescribe you permission to get K-Holed on ketamine.
“Ketamine is an animal tranquilizer. You don’t trip.”
I guess it depends on what you call a “trip.” When we showed up patient was being was screaming and had ripped out their IV and was being chased around the room by the ketamine clinic staff.
That sounds like a withdrawal from something else, and psychosis.
Patient was on 3rd or so round that day. Had been there for several hours. K-Holed.
I had a friend who did a study at a major university, and he got an injection, and it helped his depression for three months, but it’s been too expensive after that. I read an article about a clinic in Palo Alto, you can get an infusion, but it’s expensive. I just heard about an acquaintance who had been doing well, but then spiraled into depression, and couldn’t leave her room for six months. She went to an anesthesiologist, not sure if she got an injection or infusion, but she snapped out of the depression right away. They have a spray, but I’m not sure how good the research is on that.
I have seen a K-hole before.
I referenced K-hole somewhere on this thread.
That's kind of like calling Ivermectin horse paste. It's used in human medicine, especially in emergency rooms.
Fair enough. The people I knew got from a Vet tech that stole it...
It’s an anesthesia based chemical, not LSD, shrooms or DMT type of hallucinogen.
Ket infusions at a specialty clinic near me are $450 each. Staffed by two ARNPs plus medical assistant. Only accepts patients referred by a mental health clinician.
” leave a person feeling sad? “
Affect is only one of many aspects of clinical depression and many cases have nothing to do with life events at all.
Wow, that is cheap, compared to what I’ve heard.
But when a series of ten is needed it’s not that cheap.
That's really amazing when you think about it. An overall, pervasive emotional atmosphere unaffected by life events, and, I take it, not affecting them either. Or is there a sort of membrane through which things flow one way only? Curiouser and curiouser, cried Alice.
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