Posted on 09/18/2022 2:30:38 PM PDT by Libloather
Already here. No effect. We are making oil tomorrow from our plants. Great as an arthritis rub. It really kills the pain.
Lol, you seem to have left out the whole natural rights business, but ok.
This is always the outcome. It isn’t unexpected either. The actual cartels can undercut the government.
Both the cartels and the government “cartel” are crooks.
As has been pointed out by others up thread, if society concludes that theillegalityLEGALITY of weed is unacceptable, that society may enact laws against it.
“If, as a society, the U.S. decided to enforce the law like Singapore, that would make the U.S. a very different country.”
Well, yes. Pick your poison:
1. sacrifice some of your freedoms in exchange for a “cleaner” and healthier society, or
2. Keep your permissive “freedoms” to do drugs and end up like Portland or San Francisco.
The question about the legalization of weed has more to do with finding out the best way to deal with this "poison."
I am not saying that legalization is a surefire solution. But prohibition and the War on Drugs haven't worked very well either.
I know a lot of former drug users and former drinkers. All agree that drug and alcohol use/abuse is a serious problem. Most, including myself, had a serious problem at one point. None--no, not one--believe(s) the government is the solution to that problem. None decided to kick drugs/alcohol because of the law or the government.
“None—no, not one—believe(s) the government is the solution to that problem. None decided to kick drugs/alcohol because of the law or the government.”
But how many others were kept from starting on their path to destructive addiction by the anti-drug laws?
We’ve been propagandized to believe we live in the land of the “free” and that we are entitled to unlimited freedom. But I’m sure you realize that all the thousands of laws in the books are all about restricting some freedom or other. And I think that’s a good thing, otherwise we’d be living in a chaotic hell.
The fact that laws against murder, violence, robbery, don’t stop every one of those crimes, doesn’t mean they are useless or counterproductive as you seem to imply.
Huh?
Where did I imply that laws against murder, violence, and robbery are counterproductive?
Kinda fast and loose with the accusations there, aren't we?
That was just an anology.
You seem to be saying that just because laws against drug use don’t stop all drug use, that they are ineffective.
As for actual drug laws, I would prefer something like the following...
- first time caught using, get a warning, maybe a smallish fine.
- second time a bigger fine
- third or more time, some increasingly amount of jail
- if you’re a pusher you get serious jail time the first time
What kind of law would you propose?
I don’t think you and I are on the same wavelength. No hard feelings intended, but if you don’t mind, I think I’ll stop responding.
Because in most small cities where marijuana dispensaries have been allowed and set up, the crime rates go down - for starters. Cities have also taken significant steps to prevent Cartels from operating, including extensive background checks as a requirement for licensing. Also, the Cartels are not going to deal with all the regulations the marijuana growing and retail operations have to go through, much less pay the heaps of taxes being charged. I forget what else was in the article but it is pretty much all BS.
I read it. It is pretty much all wrong. Not even close to reality.
Well, you can wish but that is not what we have seen here.
This small police and sheriffs force doesn’t have a chance against the cartels and so don’t try. Safer that way for them.
Believe what you want, say what you believe but it just isn’t so from what we see here.
I just can’t let your claims go unanswered but I don’t care to discuss it any longer.
It’s a different world.
You’re not even going to tell me how great the drug law I proposed is?
That’s kind of rude considering all the thought I put in it.
;-)
“I prefer dangerous liberty to peaceful servitude’’.- Thomas Jefferson.
I know three people in the Cannabis industry in Oklahoma and I assure you they are not cartel. That does not mean it isn’t so. Oklahoma was pretty lax when it was first legalized. I understand they are tightening up. I’m not in Oklahoma so I will make some calls.
...But don’t worry, I will not let you know what I hear because you don’t care to discuss it any more. All the best to you.
“I prefer dangerous liberty to peaceful servitude’’.- Thomas Jefferson.”
That’s what you call a “false-choice” logical fallacy.
Those are not the only choices. I prefer something in between.
Total freedom would be a chaotic hell, and peace as a slave would not be worth living.
Except for an occasional exception now and then, most societies have managed to find a reasonable middle ground between the chaos of unfettered freedom and an oppressive peace.
So, that Jefferson quote is rather useless since it hardly ever is the case in real life.
Really? I think it’s rather prescient on the part of Mr. Jefferson. It describes socialism to a T.
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