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Better Call Saul -- Episode 6x12 "Waterworks" -- Discussion Thread
AMC ^ | 8-8-22

Posted on 08/08/2022 3:15:03 PM PDT by silent_jonny

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To: TomServo

Rhee Seahorn is nominated for an emmy—finally.


101 posted on 08/08/2022 7:23:44 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin, Joe. The feet are at the door (Acts 5:9) 9-18-21)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Wow, they just confirmed (to Odenkirk’s surprise) that it was 6 years between the divorce paper signing to the Florida phone call.


102 posted on 08/08/2022 7:26:57 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin, Joe. The feet are at the door (Acts 5:9) 9-18-21)
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To: All

So the Gene time is 2013/2014.


103 posted on 08/08/2022 7:28:19 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin, Joe. The feet are at the door (Acts 5:9) 9-18-21)
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To: All

It was Vince Gilligan’s girlfriend (wife?) Holly who put her hand on Rhee’s shoulder in the bus scene.


104 posted on 08/08/2022 7:30:31 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin, Joe. The feet are at the door (Acts 5:9) 9-18-21)
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To: silent_jonny

I didn’t believe he didn’t know that.


105 posted on 08/08/2022 7:48:30 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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To: silent_jonny
Great episode. Visually the show is so brilliant. Interesting subtle thing I noticed. In Gene's black and white world, when Carol Burnette was watching the old Saul Goodman television commercials, you never see them on her computer, but when Gene opens are laptop and looks at them, they're reflected in his glasses in color. He's looking back in time to the more vibrant colorful days of his existence.


106 posted on 08/09/2022 7:49:08 AM PDT by dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vFiUUcBkc)
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To: silent_jonny
My Lord ... They couldn’t find a more generic office than this! Right down to the receptionist.

I've been through 100's of office birthday celebrations like this. It seems there is always one who organizes these things whereas most of the office wishes they'd just go the hell away. Thr writers and director nailed it.

107 posted on 08/09/2022 11:38:08 AM PDT by llevrok (Pronouns: Me/myself/& I)
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To: dead
Visually the show is so brilliant.

The cinematography, editing and direction is genius, IMHO

108 posted on 08/09/2022 11:42:53 AM PDT by llevrok (Pronouns: Me/myself/& I)
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The whole miserable office birthday scene hit so close to home, it made me long for a life of crime I’ve never had. It was so accurate I thought I recognized people I’ve worked with.


109 posted on 08/09/2022 12:44:11 PM PDT by dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vFiUUcBkc)
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Okay, I don’t get it...remember the episode where Jimmy is sitting on a bench in the mall, on break from his Cinnabon job, and the two guys ‘make’ him as Saul Goodman? So he goes back to Albequerque? How does that fit in with the end of this last episode, where he flees after Carol Burnett calls the police on him? Are they saying that he got the vacuum cleaner salesman to ‘disappear’ him TWICE? And that he got the same job, in the same city? That makes no sense. What am I missing?


110 posted on 08/10/2022 6:08:31 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Washington D.C. has become the enemy of free people everywhere!)
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To: notdownwidems
You may have missed this scene, where Jimmy/Gene calls Ed the Vacuum Repairman immediately after being made by Creepy Cabbie Jeff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWWOI0i3u4Q

Jimmy hasn't been back to Albuquerque since the end of Breaking Bad. So far, that has been the only time he's used Ed's services. (The teaser for the finale hints he may call Ed again.)

All of the Gene scenes up until now have been in Nebraska.

111 posted on 08/10/2022 12:47:29 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin, Joe. The feet are at the door (Acts 5:9) 9-18-21)
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Thanks for that Jonny…something still seems wrong with the timeline though


112 posted on 08/10/2022 1:20:29 PM PDT by notdownwidems (Washington D.C. has become the enemy of free people everywhere!)
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To: silent_jonny

And Holly is the name of Walt and Skylar’s baby.


113 posted on 08/10/2022 1:22:42 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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To: notdownwidems

“...the two guys ‘make’ him as Saul Goodman? So he goes back to Albequerque? How does that fit in with the end of this last episode, where he flees after Carol Burnett calls the police on him? “

I don’t know if it’s supposed to fit, and maybe they’re not really connected. In the discussion time after they were saying that Gene just didn’t have to whack her after looking into her puppy-dog eyes.


114 posted on 08/10/2022 1:26:08 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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To: silent_jonny

While we were watching, there was an ad on TV that we didn’t understand. Maybe it was an actual ad for something else, or for the last episode next week.

There’s a close-up of a messed-up, maybe burned, car interior. The voice in the background seems to be mentioning that line he’d use when calling the vacuum guy — giving a specific part name.

WE know the actor who played the vacuum guy is dead, but for the series that isn’t an issue. So maybe Gene is calling that guy again.


115 posted on 08/10/2022 1:29:10 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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To: MayflowerMadam
It's Jimmy's old POS car, the Suzuki Esteem. Mike and Jimmy rolled it into a ravine after the cartel ambush in Mexico (the only place to hide it, but Lalo found it anyway.)

From the trailer, it looks like it's in the same place they left it, with 6+ years of accumulated rust. Or it could have been burned.

It's in color ... So this could be the first image from the Gene timeline that's not in black & white.

But why would we need to see this car again? Ever?

You're right. That's Gene we hear calling Ed (RIP Robert Forster) asking for another extraction ... But that could be misleading. The call could be from a flashback.

What if they incorporate Robert Forster's death into the show? Scared Gene runs away from Carol Burnett, calls for extraction and a strange voice answers the phone. This person doesn't know what Gene is talking about. "A Hoover what--? Oh you must want the former owner. Sorry, he died."

116 posted on 08/10/2022 2:03:33 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin, Joe. The feet are at the door (Acts 5:9) 9-18-21)
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To: silent_jonny

“You’re right. That’s Gene we hear calling Ed”

Good. It sounded like Gene calling Ed, but I wasn’t sure.

I really like how they’re incorporating all three “eras” to pull them all together.


117 posted on 08/10/2022 2:08:19 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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To: notdownwidems
I'll try to help if I can.

I made a mistake earlier when I said the Gene Scenes were set in 2013/2014. I was way off, so ignore that :)

The date on Saul and Kim's divorce papers was 2004 (the same year they were married). Jimmy and Kim wouldn't speak again until his phone call 6 years later, which would place the Gene Scenes in 2010.

The Better Call Saul story begins in 2002. We know this from the date on the check Jimmy has in the first episode.

The Breaking Bad story took place roughly between 2004/05 to 2006/07. So "Gene" has been working at the Cinnabon for about 3 to 4 years when he's spotted by Jeff in 2010.

So all of the recent black & white episodes with Gene, Jeff and Carol Burnett have been set in 2010.

Kim left New Mexico for Florida in 2004 and has apparently been there ever since. She probably would have stayed there had Jimmy/Gene not called her in 2010.

The call shook Kim. She immediately returned to New Mexico, where she confessed to anyone that will listen what she and Jimmy/Saul did to poor Howard back in 2004.

When she has her breakdown on the bus, she's at the airport, presumably on her way back to her bland life in Florida.

So the entire timeline for both shows (excluding flashbacks for certain characters) has been between 2002 and 2010.

118 posted on 08/10/2022 2:39:45 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin, Joe. The feet are at the door (Acts 5:9) 9-18-21)
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