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The liberal case for gun ownership
UnHerd ^ | November 27, 2021 | Bret Weinstein

Posted on 05/27/2022 4:04:20 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal

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To: definitelynotaliberal
I read over twenty paragraphs before the overwhelming smartness of the author just bored me.

Even when I agreed with some part of this article, the smugness of the author's brilliance, made me gag.

I try to read all of an article before I comment, but in this case, I could not.

21 posted on 05/28/2022 5:12:38 AM PDT by USS Alaska (NUKE ALL MOOSELIMB TERRORISTS, NOW.)
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To: USS Alaska
I try to read all of an article before I comment, but in this case, I could not.

There's your problem. You should do as I do, and read NONE of the article before you comment.

22 posted on 05/28/2022 5:19:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (ELON MUSK IS THE CORPORATE VERSION OF DONALD TRUMP!)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

There is no more term liberal. I see Democrat I hear Communist. The Communists would have you believe that the Bill of Rights were written for the government and that’s a lie. They were written for the people.


23 posted on 05/28/2022 6:39:56 AM PDT by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: KrisKrinkle

Age of majority is 18 everywhere in the US.


24 posted on 05/29/2022 3:12:47 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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“Age of majority is 18 everywhere in the US.”

So? Are you saying it doesn’t constitute an infringement of “the right of the people to keep and bear arms” of those under the age of 18 if they can’t exercise the right to the extent those 18 and over can? Aren’t they people?

Are you saying “the right of the people to keep and bear arms” doesn’t apply to those who are under 18?


25 posted on 05/29/2022 4:49:19 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

The are not of age to have agency.


26 posted on 05/29/2022 4:50:31 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

“The are not of age to have agency.”

Again, so? The Second Amendment doesn’t mention “agency” as far as I know. Are you proposing that they are not people? What other rights do they not have?

Are you proposing that denying them the right to keep and bear arms is not an infringement because they don’t have agency?

Does this mean the right to keep and bear arms is not absolute or that is only absolute to those who have agency?

What is agency and who gets to decide who else has it?


27 posted on 05/29/2022 6:37:14 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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When one reaches the age of legal responsibility, 18 in this country.
That is when they can vote.


28 posted on 05/29/2022 6:42:59 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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“When one reaches the age of legal responsibility, 18 in this country.
That is when they can vote.”

So that means, if the age of legal responsibility is 18, those who are at least 18 have the right to keep and bear arms and those who aren’t do not.

That would mean that if they changed the age of legal responsibility to 16 those who did not have the right before would now have it and if they changed the age of legal responsibility to 21 some of those who had the right before would no longer have it. It would also mean that those legally granted their majority before the age of 18 would have the right while those of the same age would not.

It implies that the right to keep and bear arms is not just noted in the Constitution, being a preexisting right, but is
dependent on the legal system of a society for its existence. You didn’t actually say it, but it means the right is not absolute, and can be taken away without infringement.


29 posted on 05/29/2022 8:15:20 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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Would a law prohibiting a five year old from keeping and bearing a firearm and prohibiting parents from providing the firearm, absent a need for self defense, be an infringement?

Yes. Yes it would.

However, I suspect said 5-year-old would be spanked and have to stand on the naughty-step.

30 posted on 05/30/2022 9:34:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (ELON MUSK IS THE CORPORATE VERSION OF DONALD TRUMP!)
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