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The Doolittle Raiders Did a Lot
WSJ ^ | 17 April | Bob Greene

Posted on 04/18/2022 10:45:28 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

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To: devane617

A B-29 flew over my house this morning in Fort Worth. I recognized the distinct sound of multiple radial engines. I went outside but it was gone so I used flightradar24.com to identify it.


41 posted on 04/18/2022 11:32:51 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: jjotto

My uncle fought on Okinawa and said, “The Japs had no souls!”
He’s now 97 and still despises them.


42 posted on 04/18/2022 11:33:22 AM PDT by rfreedom4u ("You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas")
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To: VeniVidiVici

That was the place to be. I was in DLI in 83-84, Russian language. Interviewed one pf the older Russian female teachers who had lived through the siege of Leningrad and used the information for an article on that siege in a magazine.

My one and only paid published article. I am told that means I am a pro. Cause I got paid.


43 posted on 04/18/2022 11:33:23 AM PDT by wbarmy (Trying to do better.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

As much courage as that raid took and the fact that it led to the Battle of Midway where the Kido Butai (Japan’s mobile strike force which had been kicking the crap out of the Allies) was wiped out, Jimmy Doolittle’s biggest contribution was probably when he took over command of the 8th Air Force.

He ordered the fighters to STOP protecting the bombers....to STOP escorting them closely. Instead their mission would now be to destroy the Luftwaffe. We were willing to incur extra high casualties among the bomber crews for a short time in order to break the back of the Luftwaffe by specifically hunting their fighter planes, and following them down to their airfields and attacking them there if necessary - whatever it took to knock out the German fighters. It worked. After “Big Week” in Spring of 1944 when we attacked Berlin specifically to force them to come out to fight, we destroyed so many Luftwaffe fighters that we had air dominance over Europe after that.

The loss rate for the Bombers went way down and British and American fighter-bombers were free to roam at will over the battlefield.


44 posted on 04/18/2022 11:33:57 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: oldplayer

it is pretty certain that the Japanese did NOT know of the attack before the planes were over Japan.”

The operation was sighted by Japanese “picket ships”, several of which were sunk, and rescuees interrogated. B-25s launched early.

Radio intercept from “MY CT2 Navy People”. Pictures and intel here:

https://stationhypo.com/?s=Doolittle+


45 posted on 04/18/2022 11:35:26 AM PDT by Does so (https://youtu.be/3PxEWB6W8ig ......Uke's Independence Day Parade. Anthem starts at 15:00)
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To: Does so

Japan had to commit war machinery to the home islands as a result.


Yes and this was an important outcome from the raid, but the piercing of the psyche of the Japanese military and their leaders was of the highest importance not to mention the rallying effect it on our forces and nation.

To put it in perspective if I remember correctly we dropped approximately 1/1000th of the ordnance as a standard B-29 raid package put on Tokyo in a day at the end of the war.

As a former Army officer and student of military history it remains one of the greatest chapters in warfare in my humble opinion. Amazing men, an audacious plan and idea, and a huge rallying cry (like the Alamo) for a nation and military that desperately needed one.


46 posted on 04/18/2022 11:36:03 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

My dad was a Hump Pilot in the China Burma India Campaign. He got to meet a couple of the Doolittle men when they toured Japan .


47 posted on 04/18/2022 11:36:17 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.q at)
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To: Does so

“Too bad that their sacrifice is being thrown away today by our ‘leaders’.”

All the millions of border-crossers appreciate their sacrifice.

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48 posted on 04/18/2022 11:38:53 AM PDT by Does so (https://youtu.be/3PxEWB6W8ig ......Uke's Independence Day Parade. Anthem starts at 15:00)
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To: Qui is

—For the life of me I still do not understand why some FReepers fail at basic reading?

Perhaps an eye exam may help.

Pls, see #9 and #20, if you can see them through your blind rage?


49 posted on 04/18/2022 11:40:32 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The book and film “#0 Seconds Over Tokyo does a pretty good job telling the story of the Doolittle Raid.


50 posted on 04/18/2022 11:43:35 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Sans-Culotte

That was really dissapointing to me when nobody knew the answer. Also, I’m always amazed at simple Bible questions that never get answered.


51 posted on 04/18/2022 11:44:01 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Doolittle’s autobiography

https://www.amazon.com/Could-Never-Be-Lucky-Again/dp/0553584642/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1CP90VILBXMV3&keywords=doolittle+biography&qid=1650307159&sprefix=doolittle+biography%2Caps%2C1457&sr=8-2

He did a LOT more than fly a mission over Tokyo. He was one smart engineer, (with a PhD from MIT no less), and an excellent commander of men.


52 posted on 04/18/2022 11:45:27 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan (qd4)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“My dad was a Hump Pilot in the China Burma India Campaign.”

Another job that required fierce inner resolve and balls of steel. Many an air crew perished in crashes flying The Hump.


53 posted on 04/18/2022 11:51:15 AM PDT by oldvirginian (Sex is like the game of Bridge......if you don't have a good partner you better have a good hand.)
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To: volunbeer
I Agree with all your Points in #35, and did not mean to infer that you demeaned the Raid, you did not.

My comment was to how the Raid was Effective, and the damage done by the bombs to infrastructure was minimal.

However the damage done to Japanese Morale and the Confidence in the Capability of the Japanese Military was Significant, and spurred further Japanese mistakes in Tactics.

Additionally, I am perfectly fine with US Government/Military Propaganda through the close of WWII.

Of course I got along fine with Japanese when I was there, I mistreated no one, but I pulled no punches regarding their Wartime conduct.

54 posted on 04/18/2022 11:52:15 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: wbarmy
That was the place to be. I was in DLI in 83-84, Russian language.

Me too! 01-85. Where did you go after? I had a blast because I was TDY the whole time there :) Then got stationed at Ft Polk and Field Station Berlin after.

55 posted on 04/18/2022 12:00:01 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (GoFundMe is a Democrat Scam)
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To: Tallguy

“Allegedly that happened because Lt. Col. Doolittle wasn’t scheduled to fly but jumped into the pilot seat of Plane #1.”

Doolittle was an exceptional pilot.
He was so good that he was kept stateside during WW1 training pilots who went on to gain fame and notoriety in the skies of Europe.
Doolittle knew he would never get another chance to fly in battle so he jumped at the chance when Task Force 18 was approaching Japan.
Due to maintaining radio silence Task Force Commander Captain Marc Mitscher had little recourse when Doolittle announced he would be piloting the lead plane.
The rest is history.


56 posted on 04/18/2022 12:03:13 PM PDT by oldvirginian (Sex is like the game of Bridge......if you don't have a good partner you better have a good hand.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Went to Ft Monmouth, then to Germany. Although I was at Ft Polk in 89 just before it moved to Ft Hood.


57 posted on 04/18/2022 12:34:09 PM PDT by wbarmy (Trying to do better.)
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To: wbarmy

Was it still 105th MI? I left in Oct 87 to go to Berlin. Probably everyone I knew there had PCS’d by 1989.


58 posted on 04/18/2022 12:43:16 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (GoFundMe is a Democrat Scam)
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To: VeniVidiVici

105th MI until we got to Ft Hood and became the 2AD. I went over to West Ft Hood and spent my time deploying to fun places.


59 posted on 04/18/2022 12:48:28 PM PDT by wbarmy (Trying to do better.)
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To: oldvirginian
Most days, dad spent the night in India with locals available to load his airplane with munitions for troops battling the Japanese in China.
There was a particularly arrogant Nationalist Chinese General in India who had acquired a baby grand piano, probably from a British family living there.
He insisted that my dad carry the piano to China but Dad refused.
One morning he arrived at the air field with his co-pilot, only to find the piano had already been loaded aboard.
Saying nothing, the men took off and circled the airfield once. At 650 feet, the cargo door came open and the piano went out.
Nothing was ever said...
60 posted on 04/18/2022 12:50:41 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.q at)
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