Posted on 03/05/2022 9:42:48 PM PST by sushiman
Bull. There is no excuse for the carnage Putin perpetrating upon Ukraine. The US/NATO can attack Russia at anytime no matter where her border is.
“The smart money would have gone to Russia over Finland, Poland and Afghanistan.”
The smart money would have gone to the US over Cuba (Bay Of Pigs), Vietnam and Afghanistan (hasty, disastrous retreat from both).
Maybe now you can understand the need to learn to consider with the persons, places and things of the actual situation at hand instead of impressions of things that are, in every sense, far removed.
I’ve been studying Russia and Putin for many years......but many people in the US and a few on FR have a lot of leftover anger who lost family or people in the Soviet Russian /Ukraine years and they can’t let it go.
Most recognized how much Obama and Putin disliked each other as well. And it’s Obamas administration running things. So there’s that hoovering around DC.
“The US/NATO can attack Russia at anytime no matter where her border is.”
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That’s an argument for NATO/US not to do anything, then if not close up shop entirely. If you can phone it in from anywhere you don’t need NATO.
“many people in the US and a few on FR have a lot of leftover anger who lost family or people in the Soviet Russian /Ukraine”
Many people are mentally fighting a cold war that no longer exists. Of course, the Russian people also have a bit of experience in the area of losing people on their own ground due to war - what was it, 25 million in WW2?
I don’t think anyone is excusing what’s happening in Ukraine.....but many understand this was a war a long time coming......yet NATO continued to heavily arm Ukraine and Nato countries on Russia’s border....and they knew this would happen. And they also knew they weren’t going to let Ukraine into NATO....at any time.
[The smart money would have gone to the US over Cuba (Bay Of Pigs), Vietnam and Afghanistan (hasty, disastrous retreat from both).
Maybe now you can understand the need to learn to consider with the persons, places and things of the actual situation at hand instead of impressions of things that are, in every sense, far removed.]
I understand you want the Russians to win. The problem is you’ve let your hope obscure important determinants of the outcome.
I started with the assumption that the Ukrainians would lose in 72 hours, with very light losses for the Russians. I thought Ukrainians would more or less be pretty passive about Russian rule because they had been through it before and the current zeitgeist had suppressed any urge to fight any kind of war among today’s youth.
I was wrong. The more I look at the situation, the more I think the prospect of Ukrainian victory is not as far fetched as anyone might. I’m still somewhat pessimistic, but there are reasons to be optimistic. The Russian people are not a tool for its leaders to pursue vanity projects at great expense in their blood and their treasure. Russia gave up in Afghanistan despite taking 1/5 of US losses in Vietnam and an internal security apparatus with coercive abilities dwarfing anything in US history. When not fighting a people (the Germans) literally bent on wiping them out from this Earth, Russian society can be more sensitive about troop losses than the US.
Ukrainians have always had wars and conflicts. That's just their history.
I've said before that our Military leaders have stated that often there are the older generation leaders who create problems and get in the way of solutions because they still have that cold ware mentality.
“Pootin stooge talking.”
Yep.
Do all you can, said the crazy old man from his bunker.
well worth the time. excellent.
Putin and the Russian government and oligarchs are obviously not the greatest: former KGB and mob and so on. I don’t want them to win.
However, it seems like they were provoked. It seems like they view it as defensive to keep the Ukraine out of NATO, etc. It doesn’t seem like Putin / Russia is interested in or capable of reconquering the former Soviet Union / Russian Empire.
43.Re Obama and Putin disliking each other. Just two different brands of psychopathic marxist megalomaniacs with differing views on how to rule the world.
Sounds like Georgie Sore-os is losing money somehow if Ukraine falls. He’s probably got lots of money parked there, like Hillary and the Biden.
Isn’t globalism grand ?
So if distance from Nato is the objective, invading Ukraine is a weird way to go about it. Making this a senseless conflict and a waste of Russian resources. Putin's talking out of both sides of his mouth, claiming to be fighting 'nazis and nationalists' in Ukraine, while acting like a nazi and enshrining Russian nationalism out of the other side.
It's incredulous that an argument would be made that the US and/or Nato are causative. Blame the information age, but desire for freedom is going to overtake every nation that doesn't have it, including Russia, and invading Ukraine isn't going to stop that desire.
I agree with the assessment in this title.
Putin Puffer..lol
Yep...
He’s correct, however.
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