Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Diagnosis [Excited Delirium] used in high-profile police deaths has no medical basis, physicians group says
NBC News ^ | 02 March 2022 | Tim Stelloh

Posted on 03/02/2022 9:27:42 PM PST by zeestephen

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last

1 posted on 03/02/2022 9:27:42 PM PST by zeestephen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: zeestephen

Is there a less vague excerpt you could post to get one to click the msm site for hits?


2 posted on 03/02/2022 9:40:45 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Deaf Smith

*msn


3 posted on 03/02/2022 9:41:53 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: zeestephen

Woke CYA.

Tell that to any urban LEO.

I’m too tired to find the studies that were the genesis for excited delirium which, ironically, were meant to identify subjects which required different handling (and training) by police.

Worse than woke, by removing the condition as criteria for a violent subject, use of force criteria are the only remaining options (assuming responding officers aren’t social workers) and, ultimately, injury & death of mostly minority subjects.

Gee: I wonder what the motivation is here...


4 posted on 03/02/2022 9:44:08 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Deaf Smith

Re: Click to MSN.com

MSN.com is a news aggregator.

They paid NBC News for the publishing rights to this story.

The number of people at Free Republic - like Deaf Smith - who do not understand this business model is very depressing.


5 posted on 03/02/2022 9:55:55 PM PST by zeestephen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: zeestephen

There is no psychiatric diagnosis of “excited delirium.” The term appears to be made up by lawyers for forensic purposes. That may make it a term of art but it has no scientific validity.


6 posted on 03/02/2022 9:58:55 PM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: zeestephen
You are allowed to excerpt more than what you posted.

You should know this.

7 posted on 03/02/2022 10:00:30 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: zeestephen
The report's authors add that the term — which authorities have said is exhibited through increased strength, incoherence and other behaviors — "cannot be disentangled from its racist and unscientific origins."

What a load of bullshit. "Racist"? Sure, it may be "unscientific", but I suppose the report's authors have never dealt with someone having a panic attack or a seizure or overly agitated or a drunk superhero... people in altered states can certainly have unusual strength and odd actions.
8 posted on 03/02/2022 10:19:00 PM PST by Svartalfiar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Deaf Smith
Re: "You are allowed to excerpt more than what you posted. You should know this."

Why would I excerpt any more than is necessary?

Headline - plus, a clarifying sentence.

Independent and Conservative news web sites apparently allow Free Republic to excerpt entire stories.

Try that with a corporate MSM website, and Free Republic will be served with a Fair Use lawsuit almost instantly.

9 posted on 03/02/2022 10:23:06 PM PST by zeestephen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: hinckley buzzard
"Excited delirium (EXD), first described in the mid 1800’s, has been referred to by many other names – Bell’s mania, lethal catatonia, acute exhaustive mania and agitated delirium.1 Regardless of the label used, all accounts describe almost the exact same sequence of events: delirium with agitation (fear, panic, shouting, violence and hyperactivity), sudden cessation of struggle, respiratory arrest and death.2 In the majority of cases unexpected strength and signs of hyperthermia are described as well."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3088378/

Individuals in emotional distress because of mental illness or emotional distress because of drugs (coupled with mental illness) has been documented for decades. There are accounts of people having "super human" strength when they're confronted or feel trapped.

The usually suspects want to shift the focus from a real event (excited delirium) to 'racist cops killing innocent people of color'.

This report was put out by the 'Physician for Human Rights'. Their name implies a bias and a narrative.

10 posted on 03/02/2022 10:27:42 PM PST by yesthatjallen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: zeestephen

I don’t understand either headline or topic sentence.
The context of all these phrases is unclear to me. Interesting, yes, but unclear.
As though the conclusions are being presented before the issue.


11 posted on 03/02/2022 10:32:27 PM PST by lee martell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: zeestephen

It’s not a made up term. It’s real.

Types of Delirium

Hypoactive delirium —> lethargic, sleepy, withdrawn. Seen in encephalopathy (hepatic, metabolic) and benzo intoxication.

Hyperactive delirium —> agitated, hallucinations, delusions, often seen in withdrawal syndromes. Often have a mixed type that alternates between agitated and quiet.


12 posted on 03/02/2022 10:35:49 PM PST by consult
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: consult

Scary real also. My wife was hospitalized for a sepsis infection and on some very powerful meds. On the fourth day she started suffering what was diagnosed as “Hospital Delirium”
A very frightening event to watch. It peaked when she was in the ICU and lasted just over a day. What was surprising was that the hospital staff did not know what it was and just considered and treated her as a mental problem.


13 posted on 03/02/2022 10:43:33 PM PST by redcatcherb412
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: lee martell
Excited Delirium has been a trusted defense for Police involved in wrongful death trials for at least a couple decades.

Destroy the legal defense, and you can put lots of cops in jail.

I assume George Soros or a political colleague is funding the physicians group that is trying to debunk it.

Sorry - I follow this kind of legal stuff closely, so I assumed that other Freepers would know what this is all about, too.

14 posted on 03/02/2022 11:14:27 PM PST by zeestephen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: yesthatjallen

10. Don’t have my notes right now but PHRs might be a successor to the Communist Party created Medical Committee for hUman Rights of old CPer Dr. Quentin Young, for decades one of Obama’s personal doctors.

See if a Himmelfarb is a leader of PHRs. CP front guy in the medical field. Should be referenced by group or individual names at WWW.keywiki.org and www.DiscoverTheNetworks.org.


15 posted on 03/03/2022 12:43:25 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: zeestephen

If the “diagnosis” were in the context of receiving treatment in a hospital, they are correct.

But the context here is the words used to describe the behavior of a suspect that warrant different treatment by the officers on the scene.

When dealing with such an individual, I imagine the officers are often unable to have a long conversation with dispatch so a quick description works best.

If doctors don’t like the terminology, too bad.


16 posted on 03/03/2022 2:51:22 AM PST by fruser1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: zeestephen

Thanks for explaining.
You’ve provided a “door” into the discussion with that clarifying remark.


17 posted on 03/03/2022 5:09:44 AM PST by lee martell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Svartalfiar

increased strength, incoherence and other behaviors — “cannot be disentangled from its racist and unscientific origins.”
= = =

So they are saying that it is a racial issue that some persons are stronger and dumber than others?


18 posted on 03/03/2022 6:41:38 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) was founded in 1986 by Boston physician Jonathan E. Fine, who had traveled to Chile in 1981 to help secure the release of doctors there imprisoned by Pinochet. He traveled at the request of John Womack, Jr., a Marxist historian from Harvard. His delegation included James S. Koopman of the University of Michigan. Their trip was supported by five groups, including the American Public Health Association and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (need to identify the other three).

PHR cofounders included Dr. H. Jack Geiger, Dr. Jane Green Schaller, Dr. Robert Lawrence, and Dr. Carola Eisenberg. H. Jack Geiger was a long-time Marxist activist who started his career with A. Philip Randolph and Bayard Rustin the 1940s and cofounded Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR) in Boston in 1961. He was also president of International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War.

Schaller took up human rights activism in the 1980s while at Tufts University of School of Medicine in Boston. Lawrence was a Harvard graduate and later staff member. Eisenberg was originally from Argentina and participated in human rights missions to Chile, El Salvador, and Paraguay while on the staff of Harvard Medical School.

There seems to be a lot of overlap with the SANE-FREEZE network in Boston—same territory as the VMC and John Kerry in his early career.

I assume there’s some link to Quentin Young and the Medical Committee for Human Rights (MCHR), but don’t see anything specific offhand, other than the MCHR and Geiger both being involved in Freedom Summer in 1964. They’re certainly using the same organizational model.


19 posted on 03/03/2022 7:15:10 PM PST by Fedora
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Fedora

Also, PHR gets funding from Soros.


20 posted on 03/03/2022 7:16:29 PM PST by Fedora
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson