Posted on 01/31/2022 1:55:38 PM PST by yesthatjallen
Is there a Canadian FIB?
The parliament photographer had to have been in on it also.
For me, it always represented the rebel spirit and the right to fight back.
CSIS. They play the same games.
Decades later, CSIS’s white supremacy infiltrator tells his story
It’s called the confederate battle flag.....I see them all over rural Michigan fwiw
And Montana near flathead lake and whitefish
And eastern Oregon
And Appalachia
And Trinity county California
All what we’d call Federals environs
Northeasterners much like their Puritan cum Abolitionist forebears simply can’t help it
Hey at least they are not yet advocating for or funding maniacs who tried to implement murdering southern women (and raping them first)and children by impaling them with pikes and halberds like they did John Brown or Nat Turner ....the former well known for Kansas and attempts in Virginia and the latter for butchering a dozen grade school kids and a white infant who they roasted after killing to make their point...along with savagely murdering scores more families including women and children led by a man who admitted his master had been a “kind master”
As for Davis I’m ambivalent
He was a war hero and statesman prior to the war which he was reluctantly drawn into
His failure to fire Braxton Bragg after his Kentucky failures due to failing to follow through on advantages (with Kirby Smith)which became his hallmark was a massive mistake which cost the south dearly by Braggs reticence and failure to follow up several times on victories and opportunities
Davis was a much better politician and military leader of direct action level troop consignments than as a political leader managing several Armies of Corps and a small Navy.
He was a man of noble and fair character and had shown promise in Mexico and bravery in marrying his superior Zachary Taylor’s beloved daughter despite Taylor’s objections. Davis resigned his commission when he married Sarah anyway. She sadly died after only three months in Vicksburg area...a bit south near the modern day airport ...of malaria leaving him despondent for years
Davis treatment of his slaves like that of his brother was benevolent but even Woke historians will admit his benevolence did always produce the best outcomes however well intended. Therein lies the quirks of the peculiar institution even when applied with a silk yoke
He did however entrust the management of Brierfield to James Pemberton who served him loyal and well till Pemberton s death. Afterwards he use his Brother’s black plantation manger from Hurricane plantation nearby. The Davis family had serious issues with their house staff particularly in Richmond where the local gentry who looked down on Deep South ruffian gentry anyhow viewed this as a result of the Davis family’s liberal treatment of their house servants
They also found Varina Davis his second wife of welsh extraction and natchez albeit from a northern daddy......to be too outspoken and swarthy and ridiculed her as squaw behind her back.....she became a New Yorker and writer after his death which says something to me...she was referred to as a southern carpetbagger....like Longstreet.
There is a line to connect between his management style of both slaves and his armies ...neither produced great results unless authority was delegated properly whether a black cotton production manger or the likes of more capable field commanders
His lack of foresight to use Forrest or Cleburne at larger capacity belies that lack of acumen for better results
*Forrest should have made good his threat on Bragg he made after Chickamaugua
** one could argue Bragg failed at Shiloh though I blame Beauregard who famously refused the night attack when the Federals were reeling
***why did Granny on the Beverly Hillbilles always laud Braxton Bragg.....shows the writers were poorly informed on proper CSA heroes
It’s called the stars and bars too.
Thank you very much—I know enough to follow, and to actually grasp about half of you finer points well and to know how to follow up on the rest, if only I could find the time.
I assume, perhaps wrongly, that this sentence is missing a not—though perhaps the “however well intended” is actually throwing me for a loop:
Davis treatment of his slaves like that of his brother was benevolent but even Woke historians will admit his benevolence did always produce the best outcomes however well intended. Therein lies the quirks of the peculiar institution even when applied with a silk yoke.
(It is a very interesting sentence giving insight into his domestic character, of which I knew almost nothing-—I know the most about his direction of generals, although that knowledge is mediocre)
Is there a particular work you would recommend on the domestic side of Davis. My high school teacher ( I grew up in Oregon) noted his last name and the reasons for it, and at some point I became aware of his being educated by Dominicans for part of his education—but I think I used to know more.
I’ve only read/listened to one very long work on any aspect of the war, which was about two-thirds for entertainment—Shaara’s four volume work beginning on the western front that largely follows Sherman’s path through the war and those of others who followed similar paths. That allowed me to understand some of your comments in some detail, particularly about Bragg.
(FWIW I had a great-great-great-great Uncle [possibly one or two generations further back but I think that is about right] born in 1861 in SW Missouri by the name of Jefferson Davis Scott)
Thanks very much for your time.
So what did you see in the paper the next day? The speaker standing next to the confederate flag.
How? In order to achieve that effect you have to use a long distance telephoto lens.
So the photographer HAD TO HAVE BEEN coordinating with the confederate flag holder, telling him where to stand.
The photographer set up on the 2nd floor of a parking garage 200 yards the opposite direction (behind the speaker), and lined it up so that the conf. flag looked like it was right next to the speaker, even though it was way in the back of the crowd and off to the side.
NO ONE was paying attention to the flag holder. He was not part of the rally. It was odd that he was standing in the position he was. We have to watch for this type of thing. You see a confederate or notsee flag, look for them to be coordinating with a photographer somewhere.
Duhhhhhhhhhhh...
THIS photo was taken by someone else, to EXPOSE that Trudeau’s photographer was there photographing the conf. flag. Up close.
Did you miss that point?
No it’s not...it’s a common mistake folks make
....This is the Stars and Bars
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Stars-and-Bars
It’s a pattern several southern states have modified for their own flag
See post three as well
It’s actually an issue up there for virtue signalers....kind of like here
Rural areas tend to have it and city racial apologists get all heated up
Whether such flags are plants by the left at rallies is hard to tell
An excellent book about the lead up to the war including a good bit on Davis and his reluctance
A northern author who’s very thorough and passes blame all around
Hattip pelham
“it’s not...it’s a common mistake folks make”
Exactly.
I called it stars and bars because I always heard it called that.
No one really knows about the actual Confederate flag. Battle flag is the famous one.
Jefferson Davis was responsible for the completion, supervision of the design and years of funding of the Capitol Building in D.C. Which is why his statue WAS in the Rotunda, of the “sacred” to demonrats Capitol. And the true NAZI gangster Pelousi had his statue removed... how IRONIC! Without Davis’s activism prior to leaving the Senate, there would not be photos from the period of the rising marble of the Capitol Rotunda— constructed during and through the war years 1861-65.
They cannot cover up the real ISSUE of the “democratic” party as a party of the then media (each newspaper named “democrat” has a history of their support, and now it is the tech censors and Tyrants of real news and truth).
C-SPAN has some excellent videos featuring Shelby Foote
“Booknotes
Stars in Their Courses
The author discussed his book, Stars in Their Courses: The Gettysburg Campaign, published by Random House. The book focuses on the role of “fate” in determining the defeat of General Robert E. Lee at the Civil War battle of Gettysburg. The book is a chapter excerpted from Mr. Foote’s three-volume Civil War narrative.”
https://www.c-span.org/video/?60099-1/stars-courses&playEvent
“Shelby FooteOn the C-SPAN Networks:
Shelby Foote is an Author with 11 videos in the C-SPAN Video Library; the first appearance was a 1994 Booknotes. The year with the most videos was 1996 with three videos. The year with the highest average number of views per program was 2001 with an average of 19,946 views per program. Most appearances with Brian Lamb (5), Christopher Hitchens (2). Most common tags: Arts & Literature, About Books, Depression & War (1929-1945).”
https://www.c-span.org/person/?36947/ShelbyFoote
Nope. The “Stars and Bars” was a different flag than the one in the opening post. All versions of the S&B’s had three wide bars (red, white and red) as opposed to “stripes”. The flag in the the photo is the Battle Flag. It was actually in the shape of a square and had the large blue stripes, containing stars, making an x-shape across the red field. Same flag that can be found atop the General Lee car from the Dukes of Hazzard.
Yes the battle flag isn’t correctly called stars and bars. But, yes, it is called it that.
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