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Will we soon rewrite textbooks on our place in the universe? (UFO/UAP's)
The Hill ^ | REAR ADMIRAL (RET.) TIM GALLAUDET, PH.D., AND AVI LOEB, PH.D., OPINION CONTRIBUTORS

Posted on 12/20/2021 6:33:57 AM PST by RoosterRedux

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To: GingisK

The links are to articles by scientists and engineers all over the world.

You might learn something from them.

These are very smart and dedicated professionals that deserve your respect—even if you choose to disagree with them.


81 posted on 12/20/2021 8:51:57 AM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: PIF

All ya got to do is prove it…make antigravity, open a door to the multiverse, anything that shows other dimensions or other aspects to physics that we don’t already know.


82 posted on 12/20/2021 9:16:06 AM PST by The Louiswu (Peace to you and may God Bless you all)
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To: GingisK

Just prove it, that’s all ya got to do.. create a Star Trek style warp field so I can propel my starship to Wolf 359 and I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong, you were right.


83 posted on 12/20/2021 9:18:48 AM PST by The Louiswu (Peace to you and may God Bless you all)
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To: RoosterRedux
The modern UFO phenomenon has been with us for about 75 years. If these were actually spaceships from some other planet or galaxy, open contact and/or conquest would have happened decades ago. Many experts who have studied the phenomenon have concluded that is much more likely to be an occult phenomenon, more in the category of demons than advanced technology. And many of the people who hold this view (e.g., Jacques Vallee and the late John Keel) operate from mostly secular assumptions.

The purpose of the phenomenon is deception, and steering people away from traditional (Christian) religious belief into an interest in New Age beliefs and the occult. A common result is for people to intertwine their UFO interests with Eastern religions, often Tibetan Buddhism.
84 posted on 12/20/2021 9:32:29 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: RoosterRedux
"That was the first thought Whitley Strieber had when he encounter them (i.e., they are demons) and he is not a particularly religious person in the classical sense."

Secular UFO writers like Jacques Valee and the late John Keel both concluded that UFOs are indeed some sort of occult phenomenon, but they avoided terms like "demons" in order to avoid the theological associations of that term. But to me, it's a distinction without a difference.

I strongly recommend Vallee's book "Dimensions," or Keel's "Operation Trojan Horse." Both authors strongly recommend against deliberately seeking contact with the phenomenon, as close contact can have dire mental and even physical consequences. Keel strongly recommends against encouraging young children to develop an interest in the subject.
85 posted on 12/20/2021 9:41:03 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: The Louiswu
"All ya got to do is prove it ..."

Leaving the theoretical physics proofs to you - you maybe lucky enough to find an original copy of JC Maxwell and go for it - both Einstein and Tesla would be proud of your mathematical genius, doing something they could not do. PS : Original copies are rarer than hen's teeth, all later versions are heavily edited and bastardized.

Start here :

The Man Who Changed Everything: The Life of James Clerk Maxwell by Basil Mahon

and

Oliver Heaviside: The Life, Work, and Times of an Electrical Genius of the Victorian Age by Paul J. Nahin

86 posted on 12/20/2021 10:05:30 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: RoosterRedux
Will we soon rewrite textbooks on our place in the universe?

It's a cookbook!

-PJ

87 posted on 12/20/2021 10:08:04 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: The Louiswu

Of course you persist in the popularized notion that UAPs are from another solar system. Logic dictates the simplest answer is that they are not, but are from our solar system and likely from a previous civilization or civilizations that fled due to an unavoidable catastrophe of the ELE variety - such as the one that happened from 10600-9600 BC.


88 posted on 12/20/2021 10:09:38 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: eastforker

think of the catastrophic impact that would have on the entire world economy. So we can’t let that happen just yet.

You overestimate things there, the world economy would quickly adjust.


89 posted on 12/20/2021 10:11:25 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Lazamataz

Also, with GEICO they can save 15% on their UAP insurance!


90 posted on 12/20/2021 10:22:54 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: PIF

Oil greases the wheels of the economy.Without big oil, millions worldwide would go unemployed.


91 posted on 12/20/2021 10:24:17 AM PST by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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To: Carl Vehse
The nonsense about the abundance of Earth-like planets really takes off when people talk about the possibility of "earths" in star systems with multiple suns.

The only reason there is life on Earth is because although our orbit around the Sun could be elliptical it is pretty close to being circular so that we remain pretty much equidistant from the Sun at all times. Also our Solar system can be modeled as a bunch of two-body problems since no planet has a significant effect on the orbits of any of the other planets. If a system has two stars or a star and many large planets, then we would be talking three- or four-body problems and the orbits of all of the planets would tend to be very chaotic and hazardous to life.

92 posted on 12/20/2021 10:28:14 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: eastforker

Oil greases the wheels of the economy.Without big oil, millions worldwide would go unemployed.


So what? Oil smoil, when you can step from here to anyplace in the Universe. Just pump your oil from some planet rich in hydrocarbons. The “unemployed” could use their time to explore the Universe, finding and claiming new resources, making friends etc.


93 posted on 12/20/2021 10:31:55 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Some powerful points you made there.

much more likely to be an occult phenomenon, more in the category of demons than advanced technology.

The purpose of the phenomenon is deception, and steering people away from traditional (Christian) religious belief into an interest in New Age beliefs and the occult. A common result is for people to intertwine their UFO interests with Eastern religions, often Tibetan Buddhism.

Both authors strongly recommend against deliberately seeking contact with the phenomenon, as close contact can have dire mental and even physical consequences.

I watch some of the better podcasts on the subject and the conversation has increasingly moved from nuts and bolts UFO's to the occult and paranormal.

Your points should be reread by all. It is quite possible that what we are dealing with here is NOT extraterrestrials per se but spiritual creatures which do not have our best interest at heart.

The agenda of these "others" becomes quite clear after a while.

94 posted on 12/20/2021 10:32:59 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: GingisK
They take the line "Jesus died once for our sins" to imply that he could have only died once on Earth and on no other planet. They then postulate it would be very unfair of God to wait for humans to develop the means to travel throughout the universe to spread the Good News to alien civilizations.

The counterarguments are: 1) Jesus is God and exists in Eternity rather than in time. He could have died in what would seem to us as multiple times and locations, but to Him is just once from Eternity's POV.

2) Wasn't it also unfair for Jesus's travels to be limited to His neck of the Middle East? Yes it was part of the Roman Empire which ultimately led to His teachings traveling far and wide. But they didn't reach the New World for over a thousand years. Nor did they reach to China, India, Australia, etc. There are stories of at least one apostle getting as far as India, but even so he would only have been able to visit a relatively small area within India leaving most of the citizens in the dark for millennia. And what of all the people who were born, lived, and died thousands and tens of thousands of years before Jesus walked the Earth? How fair was it to them not to hear the full message?

95 posted on 12/20/2021 10:41:41 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: RoosterRedux

unidentified objects, traditionally labeled UFOs, that may represent technological equipment manufactured by an advanced extraterrestrial civilization.
***Horse manure. Flying saucers are just aerodynamic experiments that we perfected after winning WW2, combining our knowledge with the Boundary Layer Control projects the NAZIs had been working on. 2 years later and , viola!, we got flying saucers goin’ all over the place and ... crashing, the way experiments do, not the way interstellar aircraft do.

Best book on the subject is
Intercept UFO
by Renato Vesco
https://www.amazon.com/Intercept-UFO-Renato-Vesco/dp/B0006WI572?gclid=Cj0KCQiA8ICOBhDmARIsAEGI6o3FoQvfYM5Q8ucriK8dgiMK-sTqR6H7wPjIOud5S326respmkPwDnoaAl5fEALw_wcB


96 posted on 12/20/2021 10:42:54 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Renfrew

Yes, He did. God’s command to Adam and Eve was “multiply and inherit the earth”. After Christ’s millenial kingdom, where the sinless King of the Universe is in charge of our politics for a thousand years... there will be so much progress that we’ll consider having flown a radio controlled helicopter on Mars to be child’s play.

God’s new commandment will be sumthin like:
“Multiply and inherit the galaxy”.


97 posted on 12/20/2021 10:48:48 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Levy78; Yo-Yo

“Was thinking, “is this guys serious?” Then saw your tagline 😂😂”

I was thinking his screen name was apropos, then I saw his tag line... :)

Unless he knows something we don’t... :/


98 posted on 12/20/2021 10:51:47 AM PST by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: GingisK

It is an inductive proof.

Coppedge showed that the chances of Amino Acids forming from Polypeptides was 1 in 100 trillion trillion. There are hundreds of thousands of these required for the simplest one-celled life. So the chances of life forming by chance would have required thousands of trillions of years just to come within the 10^-50 probability range of possible.

Flying saucers are fascinating. But they are no more evidence of extraterrestrial craft than the UFO flap occurring in the 1890s recording their speed at THE INCREDIBLE RATE OF 200 MPH, PROOF of extraterrestrial involvement at the time.


99 posted on 12/20/2021 10:52:16 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: GingisK

Ahh, then you need to read the book “Intercept but don’t shoot”. Then you won’t appear so ignorant of the subject matter at hand.


100 posted on 12/20/2021 10:54:30 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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